Allies Voice: the emotional roller coaster of diabetes
Many of us feel a need to explain our blood sugar when it's not a "good" number. Sometimes we can, and sometimes we can't. Regardless of the outcome - don't let your blood sugar be the bad banana of your emotional wellbeing. A blood sugar is a blood sugar. Like a tank of gas, or a potted plant - you check it and react accordingly. A blood sugar should be treated no differently. For those of you mental masters who've perfected the art of disengaging blood sugar and emotions - please share your secret!
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betterCell please note ... Type 1, type 2, type 3 & type 4 diabetes is caused & sustained by eating too OFTEN.
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE FOR DIABETICS...
Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less...
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Posted by bird54 on 18 December 2007
... www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html
Nick said,
"Please summarize, in 5 short paragraphs, the most important issue raised in each of the 5 'diabetes breakthrough' references 2000-2007 [listed immediately above]."
bird54 says...
1. Rats that fasted for 72 hr had a reduced plasma insulin level. However, insulin levels in the brain were elevated after a 72 hour fasting period.
... 2000 http://tinyurl.com/2j7p3t">http://tinyurl.com/2j7p3t [dfadool@neuro.fsu.edu]
Hi bird54 ...
Debra Fadool's 2000 reference may well prove to be one of the MOST influential pieces of research ever done, so far, in the field of dementia / depression / Alzheimer's / 'diabetes' [aka above average plasma blood glucose].
"...Our data suggest that there is a clear differential between the levels of insulin in the plasma and that found in the... " brain/nerve tissue.
A) Why do You think that the brain may selectively increase manufacture of more brain/nerve insulin [BNI] at times when pancreatic beta-cell insulin [PBI] manufacture is simultaneously reduced ? And would an increase in peripheral tissue 'Glucose Insulin Resistance' [GIR aka inflammation] help or hinder that adaptation?
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... 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(mathematics)
C) What is the probable significance [in relation to the consequences of meal frequency] of the discovery that BNI "levels are low after a meal" as regards the increased EFFICIENCY of glucose fuel availability to brain/nerve tissue of dementia / depression / Alzheimer's [aka type 3 Diabetic] Patients / 'mood-swinging Diabetics' ... who eat less OFTEN ? And under what circumstances would an adaptive increase in brain/nerve tissue 'Glucose Insulin Resistance' [GIR aka inflammation] be expected and for what reason ?
... 2007 http://tinyurl.com/ynpp4g">http://tinyurl.com/ynpp4g [raymond.swanson@ucsf.edu]
... 2007 http://tinyurl.com/3aypqg">http://tinyurl.com/3aypqg [mristow@mristow.org]
…Warm thanks; Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian c/o www.LoveDiabetes.com @ WED.19.DEC.2007 @ 23:55hrs (C) "I-eat-less-OFTEN-I-fast-more-OFTEN".
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Well let's say this, Diabtics are the toughest people I know for sure. Dealing with pain, emotional issues related to highs or lows in blood sugar not to mention the social stigma. So with that said, just remember that Diabetics can take a licking but keep on ticking and that is what I plan on doing. You are right it is only a number and if you deal with it you will be ok. Keep up the good fight Allie, I just received a letter from England in a seasons greetings but not sure what else is going on. I will check and let you know. Fight the good fight.
Glenn
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The best comment on this was written by Deb Butterfield, author of the book "Showdown with Diabetes" in her publication Insulin-Free TIMES. Since I cannot improve upon her writing, I will include an excerpt here:
When all is said and done, the fact remains that the rate and incidence of blindness, amputation, heart attacks, and kidney failure caused by diabetes—as reported by the NIH—continue to rise. Insurance companies and health care providers ponder this failure and, with few exceptions, conclude that "educating diabetics" to adhere to an intensive regimen of injections and diets will solve the problem. This philosophy has been the cornerstone of diabetes management and consequently the "blame" for secondary complications has shifted from the disease itself to the person who has it.
Intensive therapy is a lofty theory that fails abysmally in practice. The two most significant points of failure in these programs are (1) human behavior, and (2) severe hypoglycemia. To succeed with intensive therapy a person must take three or more daily injections of insulin (or insulin pump therapy), four or more daily blood glucose tests, and follow dietary instructions. The principle underlying the belief that more diabetes education will improve a person’s ability and/or desire to practice intensive insulin therapy is grounded in the assumption that it is reasonable to expect a person to perform these acts every day for the rest of his or her life. At the beginning of 1998, the NIH published their final recommendations for the strategy that will guide their diabetes initiative. One of their recommendations to "achieve desirable outcomes" is to "apply behavioral theories and strategies to maximize diabetes self-management". Their recommendations are to "develop and evaluate strategies that address social and cultural barriers to adherence," and "to study interventions to decrease psychiatric and social co-morbidities in individuals with diabetes (for example, depression, eating disorders, and family dysfunction)."
Perhaps the best test of these "behavioral theories and strategies" would be to follow 1,441 non-diabetic people over a period of 10 years as they try to comply with the regimen of injections, restrictions and uncertainty that is expected of the diabetic population. The conclusion would, I'm sure, be that the regimen itself is unreasonable and that the co-morbidities of depression, eating disorders and family dysfunction are, after all, only human. The disparity between the findings of the DCCT and the continued escalation of secondary complications points to one undeniable truth—only a cure for diabetes can have any significant impact on the human toll the disease extacts.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040506092428/http://www.insulinfreetimes.org/itimesv600.htm
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to say that diabetes is a serious disease. However, once I mentally buried it, that was it! Diabetes does not define who I am and I will always define what diabetes is to me. I believe we are all individuals with our own personalities and characteristics. And, everyone here is special in my eyes. We all have hopes and dreams and whether we have a blood sugar challenge or a broken foot challenge, it is no big deal. Life goes on. Living life to the fullest, is what's valuable to me! I am so proud of everyone!! Have a very Merry Christmas! Cheers to all!
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You rock Allie!
Even if my sugars are pretty good and I have a couple of wacko readings thrown in there I can't usually NOT feel emotional about it....especially when the doc downloads them
Keep Pressin' on!~
Jaimie
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Now there is a choice ... a Person can choose to be medicated or alternatively a Person can choose to "eat less OFTEN" ... because it is 'eating too OFTEN' that CAUSES diabetes ... an above average plasma glucose concentration [PGc] ... in a Diabetic's body.
Posted by bird54 on 16 December 2007
http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html
"... What if diabetes is not a disease at all, but a normal response to an overabundance of food? What if the cure is so simple, that we, in all of our knowledge have overlooked it? What if the answer really is “easy”? What if the cure to diabetes is to eat less often? What if diabetics could cure their diabetes by intermittent fasting? What if people could reverse their diabetes by drinking only fresh water as meal replacements, and eating only when they were hungry, instead of overeating because they are told by their health care practitioners, “Never skip a meal. Always eat breakfast. Eat many small balanced meals throughout the day.” So they do that, and they watch themselves get fatter and fatter. Then they wonder, “How did I get diabetes? I followed all the rules!” ..."
Hi bird54 & AnyOne else...
If diabetes is not a disease at all, but a normal response to an overabundance of food(?) ...
... Then WHY is diabetes not a disease at all, but a normal response to "eating too often" ?
The CAUSE of diabetes was apparently first published as early as 1938 by Dr Michael Somogyi.
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MICHAEL SOMOGYI
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Somogyi
1. Somogyi, M, Kirstein, M: Insulin as a cause of extreme hyperglycemia and instability. Week Bull St Louis M Soc 32: 498, 1938.
2. Somogyi, M: Exacerbation of diabetes by excess insulin action. Am J Med, 26: 169-191, 1959.
3. Rosenbloom, AL, Giordano, BP: Chronic over-treatment with insulin in children and adolescents. Am J Dis Child 131: 881-885, 1977.
4. Gale, EA, Kurtz, AB, Tattersall, RB: In search of the Somogyi effect. Lancet 2: 279-282, 1980.
5. Bolli, GB, Gottesman, IS, Campbell, PJ, Haymond, MW, Cryer, PE, Gerich, JE: Glucose counter-regulation and waning of insulin in the Somogyi phenomenon (post-hypoglycemic hyperglycemia). N Engl J Med 311: 1214-9, 1984.
6. Cryer, PE, Gerich, JE: Glucose counter-regulation, hypoglycemia, and intensive insulin therapy in diabetes mellitus. NEngl J Med 313: 232-241, 1985.
7. Walker, H: Michael Somogyi, PhD (1883-1971) Metabolism 21: 589-590, 1972.
8. Gee, DA: Working Wonders. A History of the Jewish Hospital of St. Louis 1891-1992.
9. Szállási, Á: Egy ismert effektus alig ismert névadója. Somogyi Mihály (1883-1971). Orvosi Hetilap 142: 1749-1750, 2001.
10. Jobst, K: A kémikus diabetologus. Lab Diagn 21: 295, 1994.
11. Kollind, M, Lins, PE, Adamson, U: The man behind the phenomenon. Michael Somogyi and blood glucose regulation in unstable diabetes. A controversial hypothesis still discussed. Lakartidningen 88: 878-879, 1991.
12. Kirstein, MB, Pareira, MD, Sachar, LA, Wasserman, HC: Twenty years of diastase and pancreatitis investigation at the Jewish Hospital of Saint Louis, Missouri, Bull of the St. Louis Jewish Hospital staff 8: 12-19, 1951.
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> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_insulinotherapy
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_insulinotherapy
Somogyi's discovery suggests that "eating too often" can cause 'surges' of pancreatic beta-cell insulin [BCI] to be produced ...
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinsulinemia
... AND that surges of BCI can cause plasma glucose concentration [PGc] to be reduced too low and/or well below 72 mg/dL IE 4 mmol/L PGc
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Somogyi_rebound.GIF
... BECAUSE the BCI surges 'pump' glucose out of the blood plasma and >>> into fat cells, into muscle cells & into liver cells <<< then there can be a potential short-fall of glucose remaining for delivery, by the bloodstream, into the brain/nerves
> www.tinyurl.com/23akqw [Relative-HYPOglycemia]
... POTENTIALLY leading to relative-HYPOglycemia DISTRESS of the brain/nerves and consequent forms of neuro-psychiatric challenges because of relative glucose starvation perceived by the brain/nerves
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetic_hypoglycemia
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... SO to protect the brain/nerves from glucose starvation the brain instructs Transient Supernormal-Glycemia [TSG aka HYPERglycemia aka diabetes] IE glucose production from the LIVER and diabetes is produced ... where the Diabetic HYPERglycemia is saving the life of the Diabetic fortunate enough to have adaptively manifested the diabetes-response to 'the Somogyi effect'.
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis
> 0103 www.tinyurl.com/yszb9q [rortiz1@tulane.edu]
DIABETES PREVENTS SCHIZOPHRENIA
> 0367 www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 [Dr Allan Cott]
> 0293 www.tinyurl.com/3xh4ne [OrthoMolecularHealth.org]
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
> 0407 www.tinyurl.com/2e3n8b [nutritional distressor]
> www.tinyurl.com/2459gp [Neuro-Glyco-Penia]
... BUT if the Diabetic is fortunate enough to "eat less OFTEN" ... this practice gradually adapts the fat/muscle/liver cells to the glucose / insulin surges by way of increasing peripheral tissue glucose insulin resistance [GIR] ... to 'amplify' the efficiency of glucose delivery to the brain/nerves the Person's also adaptively manifests decreased brain/nerve tissue glucose insulin resistance GIR to brain nerve insulin [BNI] so that the PGc available for supply to the brain/nerves can more efficiently be delivered, by the blood-stream, to the brain/nerves.
> 1107 www.tinyurl.com/2u88dx [mattsonm@grc.nia.nih.gov]
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> 0400 www.tinyurl.com/2j7p3t [dfadool@neuro.fsu.edu]
bird54 PLEASE discuss your opinion as to these relatively new proposals ... that 'insulin resistance' is ALWAYS BENEFICIAL and that a lack of 'insulin resistance' and/or diabetes may well explain the disease of Schizophrenia; and in respect of Somogyi's 1938 discovery & associated references ... what steps would You advise/speculate to maximize the Honeymoon Period for any newly diagnosed type 1 Diabetic?
> www.TheDiabetesBlog.com/2007/04/03/the-honeymoon-period
> 0407 www.tinyurl.com/29kvda [zangend@hadassah.org.il]
> 0802 www.tinyurl.com/2qxuzh [Fortunato.Lombardo@unime.it]
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/3au3a5 [LoveDiabetes.com]
In respect of ALL the opinions included within this comment ... please AnyOne ... ALSO ask your current Specialist for advice including the provision of supporting Peer reviewed references evidencing their understanding of this important matter.
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2vp4e9 [DrBernarr@aol.com]
…Warm thanks & AdrenalinLove; Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian c/o www.DiabetesHealth.com @ MON.24.DEC.2007 @ 21:23hrs (C) "I-eat-less-OFTEN-I-fast-more-OFTEN".
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Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less...
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> www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/12/19/5575.html
> www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/12/03/5558.html
> www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/27/5541.html
> 1107 www.tinyurl.com/yrr5kd [LoveDiabetes.com]
> 1107 www.tinyurl.com/2hdnt9 [gyula.soltesz@aok.pte.hu]
> 0176 www.tinyurl.com/2vzlps [jackie.wallace@faht.scot.nhs.uk]
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_disease
> www.HealSelf.org/Alzheimer's%20Disease.html
> www.HealSelf.org/Diabetes.html [DrBernarr@aol.com]
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It is 'Eating too OFTEN' that is the main avoidable CAUSE that CAUSES and sustains "diabetes" ... an above average plasma glucose concentration ... inside of a Diabetic's blood-stream.
Inside the blood-stream is outside the tissues [aka organs].
Every day excess 'water-soluble' substances, inside the blood-stream, can easily be [and naturally are] urinated to outside of the body EG excess urea, excess salt, excess glucose, excess vitamins, excess water.
Now there is a choice ... a Diabetic can choose to be medicated to rapidly force excess glucose from outside of their tissues into >>> the inside of their tissues OR alternatively a Diabetic can CHOOSE to "eat less OFTEN" [every day better in every way] to encourage glucose, from inside their blood-stream, to be gradually better digested [and/or expelled, by urination, to outside of their blood-stream, into their bladder and outside of their body].
The CAUSE & CURE for type 1, type 2, type 3 & type 4 diabetes is set out and reference-linked above & below...
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2v9ajm [LoveDiabetes.com]
What is your CHOICE & why?
Happy Christmas and All health to YourSelf, Family & AnyOne else.
In respect of ALL the opinions included within & associated with this comment ... please AnyOne ... ALSO ask your current Specialist for advice, including the provision of supporting Peer reviewed references, evidencing their understanding of this important matter.
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2vp4e9 [DrBernarr@aol.com]
…Warm thanks & AdrenalinLove
Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian c/o www.LoveDiabetes.com @ TUE.25.DEC.2007 @ 23:17hrs (C) "I-eat-less-OFTEN-I-fast-more-OFTEN"
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www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/12/19/5575.html
www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/12/03/5558.html
www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html
www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/27/5541.html
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> 0367 www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 [Dr Allan Cott]
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_disease
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Note: Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease. It is NOT caused by "eating too often" or eating the wrong foods. That would be TYPE 2 diabetes, and other variants of it.
Type 1 diabetes is an immune system disorder that is likely triggered by a VIRUS in those with the genes for it.
I have been a Type 1 diabetic since I was a baby (after a virus). I was a normal (underweight) child. I am a very thin adult. I also wear an insulin pump, and have to fast many times due to my schedule. I have gone for days without eating (do NOT do this without a pump, or you could go into a coma). I miss meals often.
I also have Celiac Disease (cannot eat wheat and many other grains) and multiple food allergies. I cannot eat processed foods, and eat very healthy.
Trust me, "excess eating" is NOT the cause of Type 1 diabetes. Like how many other Type 1's feel, if all we had to do was eat right and exercise (a solution for Type 2 diabetes) we would have "cured" ourselves a LONG time ago.
Cheers to ignorance.
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Also note that true Type 1 diabetics do NOT HAVE INSULIN RESISTANCE. They have an insulin DEFICIENCY. I am VERY insulin sensitive.
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Sarah,
Thanks for stating the truth! You are correct, in Type 1 diabetes we do not produce enough insulin. I am taking insulin for only the deficiency and environmental toxins, stress. I do not really take insulin for the foods I eat, since they do not increase my blood sugar. Type 1 diabetes has many factors and the more insulin your own body produces, the less you have to take. Most important, each individual is different. Diabetes is not in our family, and mine (Type 1) was caused from a childhood vaccination. Thanks again, for your comments.
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It is 'Eating less OFTEN' that is the main available CURE that CURES relative-HYPOglycemia and thereby avoids and/or CURES "diabetes" ... an above average plasma glucose concentration ... inside of a Diabetic's blood-stream which protects every Diabetic from the extra-ordinary challenges of relative-HYPOglycemia.
Inside the blood-stream is outside the tissues [aka organs].
Every day excess 'water-soluble' substances, inside the blood-stream, can easily be [and naturally are] urinated to outside of the body EG excess urea, excess salt, excess glucose, excess vitamins, excess water.
Now there is a choice ... a Diabetic can choose to be medicated to rapidly force excess glucose from outside of their tissues into >>> the inside of their tissues OR alternatively a Diabetic can CHOOSE to "eat less OFTEN" [every day better in every way] to encourage glucose, from inside their blood-stream, to be gradually better digested [and/or expelled, by urination, to outside of their blood-stream, into their bladder and outside of their body].
> 1007 www.tinyurl.com/3aypqg [mristow@mristow.org]
The CAUSE & CURE for all 5 types of 'Relative-HYPO-glycemia disease' aka ... type 0, type 1, type 2, type 3 & type 4 diabetes ... is set out and reference-linked above & below...
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/3au3a5 [LoveDiabetes.com]
http://www.TheDiabetesBlog.com/2007/04/03/the-honeymoon-period
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2v9ajm [LoveDiabetes.com]
> 0802 www.tinyurl.com/2qxuzh [Fortunato.Lombardo@unime.it]
> 0407 www.tinyurl.com/29kvda [zangend@hadassah.org.il]
> 1107 www.tinyurl.com/yrr5kd [LoveDiabetes.com]
> 0367 www.tinyurl.com/2uxb99 [Dr Allan Cott]
What is your CHOICE & why?
Posted by bird54 on 25 December 2007
www.DiabetesHealth.com/read/2007/11/29/5564.html
"... The research supporting “eating less often, fasting more often” is astounding. I think that if one looks at a meal as a "reward" for a hard day's work, then it is easy to fast all day. Now that I eat less often, I get excited about eating dinner, and I look forward to it all day, whereas before, it was a chore--I had to eat breakfast whether or not I was hungry because I didn't want to “ruin my metabolism” by not eating the "most important" meal of the day. I often ate snacks and meals, not because I was hungry, but because I wanted to make sure I got all my nutrients to prevent disease. Now when I look at all the research, it makes sense not to eat so often. ..."
Posted by Sarah on 26 December 2007
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2xq29m [LoveDiabetes.com]
"... Note: Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease ..."
Posted by Sarah on 26 December 2007
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"... Also note that true Type 1 diabetics do NOT HAVE INSULIN RESISTANCE ... I am VERY insulin sensitive ..."
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Hi bird54, Sarah, Julie & AnyOne else...
Please note that eating less OFTEN reduces inflammation [aka auto-immune disease] & increases glucose insulin resistance [GIR] ... and those are 2 of the means by which eating less OFTEN can CURE type 0, type 1, type 2, type 3 & type 4 diabetes.
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Why choose to eat more OFTEN when eating less OFTEN can reduce auto-immune disease, increase glucose insulin resistance [GIR] and CURE diabetes?
Levels of insulin need to be very carefully regulated and Athletes commonly have relatively extraordinary low basal levels of pancreatic beta-cell insulin [BCI]. Relatively less OFTEN 'surges' of pancreatic beta-cell insulin [BCI] are usually better ... unless more insulin is accompanied by an appropriate level of REGULATORY glucose insulin resistance [GIR] ... then arguably the more brain/nerve insulin [BNI] the better ...
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FORTUNATELY type 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 diabetes all involve protective glucose insulin resistance [GIR] and can be assisted by reduced inflammation [aka auto-immunity] ... for example please comment on this reference ...
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In my opinion type 1 Diabetics can benefit a great deal from glucose insulin resistance [which appears to be one of the PROTECTIVE roles of C-peptide]. One of the functions of glucose insulin resistance GIR is to re-route glucose to the brain/nerves and thereby PROTECT the body from relative-HYPOglycemia. Apparently, from reading BetterCell's blog, it appears BetterCell's glucose insulin resistance GIR is relatively LOW ... especially on the day of his recent alarming challenges with apparent severe relative-HYPOglycemia / mild absolute-HYPOglycemia ...
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2k6979 [BetterCell.blogspot.com]
It is certainly apparent that most type 1 Diabetics would benefit from MORE glucose insulin resistance [GIR] / C-peptide.
> 0107 www.tinyurl.com/2eyxy3 [john.wahren@ki.se]
What's new about this understanding is understanding the profound similarities, in common, between type 0 & 1 & 2 & 3 diabetes ... all of which are apparently triggered & sustained [ie 'the CAUSE'] by 'cyclical neural starvation' of glucose availability, to the brain/nerves, aka "relative-HYPOglycemia".
Diabetes is NOT a disease [it is the associated 'HYPOglycemia' that is the 'disease'] ... diabetes aka HYPERglycemia [that can exist for years] is a 'physiological body state' that protects the nervous system [especially the brain] from the extraordinary dangers of ... beta-cell and/or HYPERinsulinemia [excess insulin] associated ... "relative-HYPOglycemia" [which starves the nervous system of fuel and can result in profound challenges within minutes or even seconds with little or zero notice].
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Beta-cell and/or HYPERinsulinemia [excess insulin] associated "relative-HYPOglycemia" is the apparent reason, in my opinion, for adaptative 'auto-immune' down-regulation of beta-cells c/o the body's immune system [and could reasonably be described as 'Alzheimers of the beta-cell-brain']
> 0103 www.tinyurl.com/2rh6fz">www.tinyurl.com/2rh6fz [hmdosch@sickkids.ca]
In my opinion UNdrugTREATED type 2 diabetes [aka "cellular dietary restriction"] is a protective adaptative response which, by means of protecting the brain from "relative-HYPOglycemia", can be expected to reduce or eliminate type 3 diabetes aka 'Alzheimers'.
> 0107 www.tinyurl.com/2farm9">www.tinyurl.com/2farm9 [temorgan@usc.edu]
In respect of ALL the opinions included within & associated with this comment ... please AnyOne ... ALSO ask your current Specialist for advice, including the provision of supporting Peer reviewed references, evidencing their understanding of this important matter.
> 1207 www.tinyurl.com/2vp4e9 [DrBernarr@aol.com]
…Warm thanks & AdrenalinLove
Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian c/o www.LoveDiabetes.com @ WED.26.DEC.2007 @ 23:27hrs (C) "I-eat-less-OFTEN-I-fast-more-OFTEN".
Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less...
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What is your CHOICE & why?
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Posted by bird54 on 26 December 2007
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'... Thank you, Nick, for all the info. I went to www.tinyurl.com/2farm9 and then clicked on all the "related links". There is more information on the benefits of restricted diets, intermittent fasting, and exercise that show how it reduces inflammation, increases brain health and extends lifespan. I wonder why health care professionals never tell us the benefits of fasting but instead push drugs and medications. You hear them say, "diet and exercise" but they never recommend fasting. I think they have left out the most important factor. ...'
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'... Hi Nick and Anyone Else,
I found another article that states that fasting is good for the heart.
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"Diabetics who were studied and who fasted... were found to have healthier arteries. Diabetics, however, are never encouraged to skip meals, Dr. Horne emphasized."
WHY NOT?!
I think that it is very puzzling that even though there is overwhelming evidence to the benefits of fasting, diabetics are discouraged from fasting.
The most ridiculous thought of the day:
One should not skip meals or go on a ketogenic diet without their doctor's supervision, yet one can eat unlimited amounts of junk food and candy without any supervision at all! ...'
Hi bird54, Sarah, Julie & AnyOne else...
Please note that "fasting" is really another name for "digestion" and providing reasonable time for proper digestion reduces inflammation [aka auto-immune disease] & increases peripheral glucose insulin resistance [GIR] ... and those are just two of the means by which eating less OFTEN can CURE type 0, type 1, type 2, type 3 & type 4 diabetes.
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Certain People, at certain times of their lives, have a reduction in their powers of "digestion". A lack of ability to digest nuts is called an acute allergy. Such acute allergies are caused by 'indigestion' leading to gall-congested ducts within the liver caused by eating too OFTEN.
The lack of optimum nut-digestive capacity of certain areas of the liver then leads to an allergic response aka inflammation associated with a delayed process of "digestion" and partially digested chemicals arise, together with subsequent inflammatory digestive processes, including leukocytosis, away from the liver.
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A lack of ability to digest glucose could be called a chronic allergy. Such a chronic allergy is associated with 'indigestion' leading to gall-congested ducts within the liver caused by eating too OFTEN.
The lack of optimum glucose-digestive capacity of certain areas of the liver then leads to a chronic allergic response in the form of precision controlled 'futile-cycles' of regulatory HYPERglycemia-correcting-HYPOglycemia to which the body quickly adapts [c/o insulin C-peptide etc] by increasing glucose insulin resistance [GIR] in tissues peripheral to the brain/nerves in order to prevent the relative-HYPOglycemia, of the brain/nerves, that is caused by HYPERinsulinism from the beta-cells [caused by eating too OFTEN]. A chronic allergic response aka inflammation aka auto-immunity toward the beta-cells arises to protect the body from chronic relative-HYPOglycemia and/or absolute-HYPOglycemia which arises due to insufficient peripheral tissue glucose insulin resistance [ptGIR].
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> Somogyi, M, Kirstein, M: Insulin as a cause of extreme hyperglycemia and instability. Week Bull St Louis M Soc 32: 498, 1938.
> Somogyi, M: Exacerbation of diabetes by excess insulin action. Am J Med, 26: 169-191, 1959.
> Rosenbloom, AL, Giordano, BP: Chronic over-treatment with insulin in children and adolescents. Am J Dis Child 131: 881-885, 1977.
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Somogyi_rebound.GIF
Why choose to eat more OFTEN when eating less OFTEN and digesting more OFTEN can de-congest the liver, reduce auto-immune disease, reduce brain/nerve glucose insulin resistance [bnGIR], increase peripheral tissue glucose insulin resistance [ptGIR] and CURE diabetes?
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In respect of ALL the opinions included within & associated with this comment ... please AnyOne ... ALSO ask your current Specialist for advice, including the provision of supporting Peer reviewed references, evidencing their understanding of this important matter.
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> Somogyi, M: Exacerbation of diabetes by excess insulin action. Am J Med, 26: 169-191, 1959.
> Somogyi, M, Kirstein, M: Insulin as a cause of extreme hyperglycemia and instability. Week Bull St Louis M Soc 32: 498, 1938.
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While I DO agree that eating less can reduce inflammation and high blood sugar (both toxic to beta cells and found in autoimmune Type 1 diabetes), and that not eating reduces the exposure to foods that may be triggering Type 1 diabetes like gluten and casein (cow's milk), I think it is misguided to say that Type 1 diabetes is CAUSED by "eating too often".
I stand by my original post. Not all Type 1 diabetics have insulin resistance. I use 0.5 units per hour, and 1 unit can drop me from 19.7 mmol/l to 2.7 mmol/l. I often need less than 1 unit to bring down a high.
I also need insulin in my body 24/7 or I will go into a coma or die, even if I DON'T EAT. It's as simple as that. A Type 1 diabetic will die without insulin, even in they don't eat. Why do you think that diabetics (T1) died before insulin was discovered, even with "starvation diets"?
I'm not denying that inflammation plays a role in T1, that is well known, as is more research is sheading light on the autoimmunity/nervous system connection.
But it still sounds like you are confusing an insulin using TYPE 2 diabetic with someone with non-insulin resistant autoimmune Type 1 diabetes.
Like I said, I got Type 1 as a baby after a virus, and I fast often. Even if I go for 6 days without ANY food, I still need insulin. Period.
I do agree with what you said in regards to TYPE 2 (and Type 3: "Brain Diabetes/Alzeheimer's) diabetes. This also can improve Type 1's who have developed insulin resistance, but it cannot cure their underlying Type 1.
After just reading yet another article recently about a mom whose Type 1 child died (mom traded her insulin for a special "diet"), I think we need to warn the ignorant public that Type 1 is NOT simply a matter of diet. It is a FATAL diasese without insulin (as of now). There is NO known way around this, or we would have a cure.
If anything, a gluten and casein free diet from birth MAY help prevent Type 1 in those at risk, as well as avoiding vaccines.
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P.S. I hate to bash your sources, but schizophrenia is LINKED to diabetes!!!!
Schizophrenia is now linked to autoimmunity and the "leaky gut", which are also linked to Celiac Disease. Schizophrenia may be linked to a reaction to undigested food proteins (gluten and casein) that interfere with receptors in the brain in those genetically at risk.
Other autoimmune diseases, like Type 1 diabetes, may also have a similar "allergic reaction" to food proteins, or they may causes the "leaky gut" to become leakier, letting in viruses and other toxins, triggering autoimmunity.
The medications used to treat schizophrenia are strongly linked to Type 2 diabetes, it is possible that there is another link there as well with another form of pathology.
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Also to note, are you really suggesting I stop eating, disconnect my insulin pump, go into a coma within 6 hours and die? What the heck are you saying?
Do you REALLY know anything about TYPE 1 diabetes? Are you REALLY a researcher?
A researcher would know that Type 1 diabetics ALWAYS died before insulin was discovered. It was a horrible and painful death.
If I disconnect my insulin pump and fast, I am STILL going to die within 2 days. Period. I need insulin fasting, just like any other Type 1. This is called a "basal rate". Your body produces this basal insulin naturally. Mine cannot, since I have autoimmunity to my beta cells. I eat gluten and casein free. I fast. I take Omega 3 and Vitamin D supplements. I eat healthy. I work out. And yet I am still a "severe" diabetic.
I would say that your theory that "fasting" can "cure" Type 1 is ignorant at best, sorry to say.
Perhaps, if food is one of the triggers for autoimmunity (lectins, gluten, casein, etc.) then yes, not eating (EVER) would cure all autoimmune diseases. But the person would die from starvation (note that insulin would still be needed in the form of a basal rate), or you would need to help them regenerate their lost beta cells, if even possible.
Note that Type 1 diabetes is simply another autoimmune disease like Lupus or MS, just affecting the pancreas. If we can cure one, we can cure them all.
Just PLEASE stop implying that Type 1 can be cured "by eating less". This is NOT true, and it is insulting to those who died on starvation diets while waiting for insulin.
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Also, an nut allergy is NOT an "inability to digest nuts". That would be a GI deficiency that involves enzymes, such as lactose intolerance. NOT the same as an allergy in any way.
An allergy is an IgE *immune response* that can be immediately life threatening. This has nothing to do with a lack of digestive enzymes. Some people can stop breathing from just TOUCHING nuts, never mind eating them.
I hate to say it, but you sound like an "armchair researcher" with a computer and the internet. Please forgive my offense, but you must see why I think this. I also am working towards BSc. in the biological sciences, and while some things you say add up, many of your ideas seem to be pulled from unproven "alternative" sources with little proven science.
For instance, search Pub Med for articles about autoimmunity, gluten, casein, the leaky gut, and schizophrenia.
Diets are great for Type 2 diabetics. But please don't lump autoimmune diabetes in there, or people may die, including children.
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I also forgot to add that even with insulin (normal basal rate), my blood sugars can be dangerously high for no known reason, even if I DO NOT EAT. More than food raises blood glucose in a T1. The only way to reduce this (obviously) is with insulin, which is what I lack.
And don't suggest "exercise" for a dangerously high blood sugar in a Type 1. Exercising will INCREASE the blood sugar since there is no way to transport the needed energy into the cells (i.e. lack of insulin), so the body will burn fat for energy and create ketones, and cause acid blood and diabetic coma (DKA), which is fatal if untreated.
If you can suggest a "diet" that will *actually* cure AUTOIMMUNE diabetes (i.e. the kind triggered in thin people by a virus/pathogen/toxin/protein) and has no side effects like coma and death, please do, because I see nothing here that has anything to do with Type 1 diabetes.
P.S. What the heck is "Type 0" or "Type 4" diabetes? If you are referring to the Kir.6 mutation or MODY diabetes (both VERY rare), these are genetic defects like Down's Syndrome. A diet will have no effect.
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I think I have figured out the problem here:
Our posting friend is confused as to what the terms "Type 1" and "Type 2" diabetes means!!!
The "old school" ignorant way of thinking (i.e. WRONG):
-A "Type 1" diabetic takes insulin.
-A "Type 2" diabetic does not.
This form went out of favor in the 1960's (or something like that).
Correct and NOW USED meaning specifies the PATHOLOGY of the disease:
-Type 1 diabetes is an AUTOIMMUNE disease. Insulin is always needed.
-Type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance often caused by obesity, poor diet, and lack of exercise. They may or may not use insulin.
Using insulin does NOT make a Type 2 diabetic a Type 1 diabetic. They still have insulin resistance. Their disease does not change, their TREATMENT does. That's like giving an Asthmatic a new label because they switched from inhaled to oral steroids.
Many Type 2's mistakenly think they can "upgrade" to become a Type 1 diabetic if they do not lose weight, eat healthy, etc. None of the above will cause their genes to change and have them develop autoimmune diabetes, although they likely WILL need to go on insulin. They will now be a Type 2 diabetic who uses insulin, but they are NOT a Type 1 diabetic.
A good example of this common ignorance is Halle Berry. She was a Type 2 diabetic (very strong family history of Type 2) misdignosed as a Type 1 diabetic. Type 1 is very rare in black people, although many black Type 2's use insulin. With a proper diet, many Type 2 diabetics can stop using insulin.
A true Type 1 diabetic never can.
A Type 2 diabetic who uses insuin should not ever be classified by themselves or their doctors as having autoimmune diabetes (Type 1) because they DON'T.
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P.S. I got this off your site. What the heck is this? How to "cure" diabetes?
For Type 1:
WHAT CURES DIABETES…
(A) Maintain basal insulin [eg type 1 exogenous / type 2 endogenous] to prevent ketoacidosis [pH > 7.2].
www.jped.com.br/conteudo/07-83-S11/ing.pdf
Please note that it says that you need "exogenous" insulin to "cure" type 1 and keep the person out of a coma. Uh...that means "outside" (injected) insulin, exactly what we are using now. And let me tell you, that is no cure. That is standard treatment, and diabetes (type 1) is still the unmanageable horrible disease it has always been. How is "outside" insulin a cure for Type 1 diabetics?! Hello, I'm not cured!
Aghhh...the ignorance is killing me!
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Note for Nick:
Type 1 diabetes used to be called "Juvenile Diabetes".
It is a genetic autoimmune disease triggered by some of the following possibilities:
-A virus/bacteria/excess yeast in the gut
-Proteins such as gluten and/or casein
-Vaccines (i.e. viruses)
-A lack of immune regulators like Vitamin D and Omega 3 EFA.
All of the above would need to interact with the correct genes to produce Type 1 diabetes, just like any other autoimmune disease. Being a polygenetic disease, one must have ALL the genes plus the trigger to get the disease. This is like the genetic lottery, which is why it is *generally* uncommon to see multiple cases of Type 1 in a family. This is very different from Type 2 diabetes, where most of the family has it.
That said, about 20% of Type 1's have a strong genetic link and multiple autoimmune diseases in the family. I for example have Type 1 diabetes, Celiac Disease, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, antibodies to my adrenals (precursor to Addison's) and multiple food allergies. My mom has Type 1, Hashimoto's, and schizophrenia. My aunt is paralyzed and has Multiple Sclerosis. My uncle has Rheumatoid Arthritis and autoimmune fibrocystic lung disease. My other uncle has schizophrenia. My grandfather had Type 1 and autoimmune Pernicious Anemia. His sister has Rheumatoid Arthritis and his brother schizophrenia.
My point is that Type 1 diabetes is a disorder of the immune system, NOT a disease caused by "excess food". That is the most uneducated thing I have ever read.
How can fasting grow back a pancreas in someone who's *immune system* has destroyed it?! Without insulin, and no way to produce it, you are quickly dead. If you don't believe me, remove your pancreas and test it out in your lab.
Type 1 diabetes is an IMMUNE disorder, NOT a metabolic one. Obviously. The result of the disease process is a metabolic defect, but that is not the cause, nor the target for a cure.
Come on now....
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Also note that only 0.5% of the population has Type 1 diabetes, and only 1 in 600 kids. Only 5-10% of diabetics are Type 1.
Any article you read in the media is always about Type 2 (obesity related) diabetes, NOT Type 1.
Type 1 diabetes generaly affects thin whites of Northern European decent (i.e. Scandinavian or from places with high Viking invasion). It is very rare in Asians and blacks. In Japan, the rate is 1 in 100,000.
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"...We live in one of the richest countries in the world. I wish there were people who would have rich enough souls so they would not sell out health of millions of people.
I also believe the cure is out there but the system makes more money exploiting this condition. May God bless those who are really working to cure this disease and those who will choose to bring it to fruition and be forever blessed by all who were ever touched with this condition. May honesty and love prevail..."
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"...What is your CHOICE & why?
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Yesterday's post entitled as above ['diabetes or schizophrenia what is your CHOICE (?) & why(?)'] is dedicated to Dr Alan Cott, Dr Harry Salzer & Dr Debra Fadool because each of their references are brilliant in isolation ... and when cross-referenced their findings become extra-ordinary in helping with an explanation & understanding of diabetes. My guess is that Most would choose diabetes once it is understood how 'above-the-national-average' blood glucose concentration / transient supernormal glycemia [TSG] protects the brain/nerves from schizophrenia aka type 3b diabetes and Alzheimers aka type 3a diabetes [because greater concentrations of blood glucose facilitate improved brain functioning at certain times].
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> 'Relative-HYPOglycemia As A Cause Of Neuropsychiatric Illness' @ Journal Of The National Medical Association @ Harry M Salzer MD @ January 1966 @ Vol 58 @ Number 1 @ Table 1 @ Figure 2.
Posted by Sarah on 28 December 2007
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"...I use 0.5 units per hour, and 1 unit can drop me from 19.7 mmol/l to 2.7 mmol/l. I often need less than 1 unit to bring down a high ... I got Type 1 as a baby ... and I fast ... Even if I go for 6 days without ANY food, I still need insulin ... I think we need to warn the ... public that Type 1 is NOT simply a matter of diet ... a gluten and casein free diet from birth MAY help prevent Type 1 in those at risk, as well as avoiding vaccines ... schizophrenia is LINKED to diabetes ... The medications used to treat schizophrenia are strongly linked to Type 2 diabetes ... What the heck are you saying? ...
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... Do you REALLY know anything about TYPE 1 diabetes? ... Are you REALLY a researcher? ... I need insulin fasting, just like any other Type 1. This is called a "basal rate" ... I have autoimmunity to my beta cells. I eat gluten and casein free. I fast. I take Omega 3 and Vitamin D supplements. I eat healthy. I work out. And yet I am still a "severe" diabetic ... you would need to help them regenerate their lost beta cells ... Note that Type 1 diabetes is simply another autoimmune disease like Lupus or MS, just affecting the pancreas. If we can cure one, we can cure them all ... an nut allergy ... An allergy is an IgE *immune response* ... I also forgot to add that even with insulin (normal basal rate), my blood sugars can be dangerously high for no known reason, even if I DO NOT EAT. More than food raises blood glucose in a T1 ... And don't suggest "exercise" for a dangerously high blood sugar in a Type 1. Exercising will INCREASE the blood sugar ... the body will burn fat for energy and create ketones ... If you can suggest a "diet" that will *actually* cure AUTOIMMUNE diabetes (i.e. the kind triggered in thin people by a virus/pathogen/toxin/protein) and has no side effects like coma and death, please do ... What the heck is "Type 0" or "Type 4" diabetes? ... A good example ... is Halle Berry. She was a ... diabetic ... misdignosed ... A true Type 1 diabetic ... I got this off your site. What the heck is this? How to "cure" diabetes? ... For Type 1: WHAT CURES DIABETES… (A) Maintain basal insulin [eg type 1 exogenous / type 2 endogenous] to prevent ketoacidosis [pH > 7.2] ... Note for Nick: ... I for example have Type 1 diabetes, Celiac Disease, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, antibodies to my adrenals (precursor to Addison's) and multiple food allergies. My mom has Type 1, Hashimoto's, and schizophrenia. My aunt is paralyzed and has Multiple Sclerosis. My uncle has Rheumatoid Arthritis and autoimmune fibrocystic lung disease. My other uncle has schizophrenia. My grandfather had Type 1 and autoimmune Pernicious Anemia. His sister has Rheumatoid Arthritis and his brother schizophrenia ... How can fasting grow back a pancreas in someone ... The result of the disease process is ... metabolic ... Also note that only 0.5% of the population has Type 1 diabetes, and only 1 in 600 kids. Only 5-10% of diabetics are Type 1..."
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> Rosenbloom, AL, Giordano, BP: Chronic over-treatment with insulin in children and adolescents. Am J Dis Child 131: 881-885, 1977.
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"...Nicholas, I love your participation on our site! Thank you so much ... would like to share with you how we are trying to help folks with diabetes ... thanks! ... scott..."
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Hi anonymous, Sarah, Scott, bird54 & AnyOne else...
Eating less OFTEN and digesting more OFTEN can de-congest the liver, reduce auto-immune disease, reduce brain/nerve glucose insulin resistance [bnGIR], increase peripheral tissue glucose insulin resistance [ptGIR] and CURE diabetes.
> The main avoidable CAUSE of diabetes and way to CURE diabetes is set out in the comments & associated links above and in a more concentrated format as follows...
Eating less OFTEN cures type 2 diabetes and eating less OFTEN, even more OFTEN, cures type 1 diabetes.
WATer CURES DIABETES…
(A) Maintain maximum comfortable hydration [drinking / naso-gastic] and minimum/zero basal insulin [eg type 1 exogenous / type 2 endogenous] to prevent ketoacidosis [pH > 7.1] ie the hourly target is pH control in the range 7.2 - 7.5 and plasma blood glucose concentration above 150 mg/dL (9 mmol/L) and within 350 mg/dL (19 mmol/L) of your glucose urination threshold to minimize/prevent any possibility of relative-HYPOglycemia.
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Beta-cells continue healthy function even at 30 mmol/l or 540 mg/dL
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TYPE 1 BECOMES TYPE 2 BECOMES TYPE 0
(C) Await daily recovery [to relatively lower plasma glucose concentrations], every day better in every way, sustainable, in respect of your increased reduction of relative-HYPOglycemia ie increasingly efficient reduction of the CAUSE [of 'compensatory-HYPERglycemia'] … increasingly efficiently facilitates the gradual recovery your beta-cells & brain/nerve insulin sensitivity … ie gradually towards the total sustainable cure [days/weeks/months for type 1a & type 1.5 … or … hours/days/weeks for type 1b & type 2]. Type 1 CURE by increasing peripheral tissue glucose insulin resistance [ptGIR] ie by transiently acquiring the protective characteristics of a type 2 Diabetic and/or a type 0 [aka pre-Diabetic] and/or type 4 [aka pregnant Diabetic] wherein that ptGIR helps route fuel to to the brain ... gradually eradicating issues of relative-HYPOglycemia EG as recently experienced by BetterCell. Increased peripheral tissue glucose insulin resistance [ptGIR] provides more reliable brain/nerve glucose 'fuel efficiency' at lower plasma glucose concentrations [PGc].
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> Somogyi, M, Kirstein, M: Insulin as a cause of extreme hyperglycemia and instability. Week Bull St Louis M Soc 32: 498, 1938.
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In respect of ALL the opinions included within & associated with this comment ... please AnyOne ... ALSO ask your current Specialist for advice, including the provision of supporting Peer reviewed references, evidencing their understanding of this important matter.
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…Warm thanks & AdrenalinLove
Nick Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK, WATerian c/o www.LoveDiabetes.com @ FRI.28.DEC.2007 @ 23:45hrs (C) "I-Fast-23hours-45minutes-EveryDay-OrMore".
Eating less OFTEN is profoundly more healthy than eating less...
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Type 1's DO NOT PUT OUT EXCESS GLUCOGON. That is Type 2 diabetes. Somogyi obviously didn't have the resources to know that (Type 1 diabetes wasn't discovered to be autoimmune until 1970). My professor does not allow Wikipedia to be used as a resource due to it's "unreliable" content. I have to agree.
For the last time...I do not have insulin resistance. I have a complete insulin deficiency caused by my immune system essentially being allergic to my pancreas and/or seeing it as a virus. The exact same thing happened to my thyroid gland because I have the genes for autoimmunity. Will water "fix" that too?
I use very small amounts of insulin, only what I need to try and stay in range. I eat very little (I am skinny like a twig) and fast often due to my schedule. It is not uncommon for me to eat an apple and some nuts as my meal for the whole day. My blood sugars swing wildly regardless.
How can drinking water or eating one meal per day fix this? Can it reset my immune system and regrow my beta cells? Why has this not worked then? Why do T1 diabetics with eating disorders die sooner and have MORE complications? How have you gotten it in your head that this hogwash is a "cure" for Type 1 diabetes? I do everything you say, and I still have to test my blood sugar 12 times per day and wear an insulin pump 24/7 or my heart will stop. Period.
Like most people, I also drink a lot of water. As mentioned earlier, my blood sugar levels fluctuate wildly, even if I don't eat. I have TYPE 1 diabetes, the severe form NOT caused by lifestyle.
Allie, these posts I see as spam. I don't know what exactly Nick is trying to promote, but telling people (wrongly) that he can "cure" Type 1 with water and 1 meal a day is dangerous. How many more Type 1 kids have to die because their mother's believed in these snake oil cures? Nick can post reliable articles about Type 2 and diet, as well as scientific articles. But saying water cures Type 1? That's spam and snake oil. BS, and I think he knows it.
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Check out Nick's given site: http://www.healself.org/Diabetes.html
This is the biggest load of crap (spam) I have EVER seen! It doesn't even mention Type 1 diabetes, it lumps it in together with Type 2, as usual! It essentially says that "diabetes" is caused by being unhealthy and "over-stressing" your pancreas!
Say what?! I was breastfed until I developed Type 1 diabetes (my mom also only ate organic foods...) and was pretty much the healthiest baby around. Perfect weight. I wasn't "stressed" and I only consumed breastmilk (and some rice pablum). I got a viral infection and THAT triggered my Type 1. My story is identical to most other Type 1 diabetes sufferers. Type 1 diabetes is NOT a preventable lifestyle disease like Type 2 diabetes! There is no scientific evidence to suggest this. It's not hard to understand!
Also, so much for the "healing prayers of hand laying". What a joke! My hippie mom used to have all kinds of gross strangers in the church "lay their hands on me" for "healing" as a young child. All I ever got out of that was a fear of being touched by strangers. Surprise! No cure!
In fact, I had 6 seizures as a child. No improvement at all...Not that I would have ever expected one...God gave us doctors for a reason...
One thing I DO respect is the mention of a raw food diet. This may help improve the leaky gut, which may in turn help autoimmunity. It may lower required insulin in a Type 1, but that is not a cure, obviously. I have yet to read a scientific journal that describes a true autoimmune diabetic (Type 1) that has been "cured" by "natural" means. Not even ONE.
Other than that, this article is pure BS.
Nick, I pray your kids never develop Type 1. As you cry at night for them, you will hate the idiots that post useless garbage like this article. Your kids will have to fight for their lives everyday, and everyday people will try to blame them for their disease and sell them snake oil cures and false hope.
If you think you have something valuable to say, please state your case intelligently in your own words, without useless jargon. Many times you simply repeat what an article says, but you completely misread it when you attempt to explain its meaning! The articles you cite will say one thing, and you will be saying the complete opposite!
I am also curious..what kind of "Dr." are you? In North America, you need a PhD (or MD/DD/DO)to be called "Dr." You signature says you do not have a PhD.
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http://www.springerlink.com/content/6238458875575460/
This is the article that you claim says that "beta cells are not harmed at (extremely high) blood sugars of 30 mmol/l).
In fact, there are many articles that prove otherwise. This article does not claim what you say.
In fact, this article DISPROVES your "cure" theory!
You claim that the way to "cure" Type 1 is to let the blood sugars run high (to avoid lows) and the body will heal itself!
This article concludes that beta cell regeneration CANNOT and DOES NOT occur during ketoacidosis, which is what happens if a Type 1 diabetic avoids insulin and/or has high blood sugar due to less insulin than needed. And in case you didn't notice, the subjects that did this are DEAD!
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http://www.type4diabetes.com/type_4_diabetes/files/BookNewsRel01.pdf
Nick, you posted this link for me in order to explain "Type 4" diabetes (Note that this term does not exist in medical communities as far as I am aware).
I do not see this as a reliable medical link for many reasons, especially since this is a self-published article.
But the main reason? This person claims to have "painful autonomic neuropathy". This is impossible. Why? Because autonomic neuropathy affects the heart, stomach, intestines, etc. A person with autonomic neuropathy may drop dead instantly from an irregular heartbeat, but they will not feel pain from it.
In addition, if a person has fatigue caused by hypoglycemia (reactive or not), this can easily be tested for and treated with diet. Also note that hypoglycemia is not "diabetes", although in some cases reactive hypoglycemia is a precursor to Type 2 diabetes, especially in the obese/overweight population.
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