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josto wrote:Hi!

Does anyone know about this flaw! A few month ago I found a 4d roo with an inking flaw at western australia coast that I thought to be a kind of flyspeck but now I found a second one with the same flaw! Does anyone know this flaw? Is it a kind of constant flaw?

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I have found a similar flaw on 4d roo, it looks like a constant flaw which should be listed in ACSC.

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I have a couple questions about this 2d Gray 1st watermark Roo:
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I realize this is not the variety itself, but I was curious if this would be the initial stage of the BENCE variety and also, is the mark on the left side random or constant?
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Re: Question about 1d Roo 1st wmk upper left frame.

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librarianc wrote:I have started working on some mint Kangaroos and this 1d caught my eye:

I believe this is Die II. The upper left corner appears to be missing the frame line:

and the lower right has several "almost" breaks in the frame:

Are these listed and/or identifiable in any of the specialist books?

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These weak inner frame line breaks are fairly common and are not platable flaws. It looks like a Die II with no plateable flaws. It is from plate E or F due to shading breaks above and below N of ONE, and from bottom of sheet watermark line.
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librarianc wrote:I have a couple questions about this 2d Gray 1st watermark Roo:

I realize this is not the variety itself, but I was curious if this would be the initial stage of the BENCE variety and also, is the mark on the left side random or constant?

Thanks for any help with this.

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Not listed constant flaws in 2d specialist book by Greg Pope.
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How incredible a large new constant flaw can turn up on a 4d Roo after 95 years! Two in Germany and one in Australia.

Well spotted Josto .... I think Geoff Kellow should call it the "Dirk Hartog Island" flaw.

As far as we know Hartog was the first European to set foot on this state.
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Thank you, austcollect!

I have been trying to pay attention to the threads on Roos and KGV, knowing I would jump into them eventually, but there is simply so much to learn. Guess I had better start building up another aspect of my library!

Thanks again. Here's hoping I find something unusual to post here, as you and Josto just did!!

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Now I have a question about this 1st watermark 3d Roo:
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First, is this joined frame a constant variety (not in my Aust. Comm. Spec. Cat.) and is this open tip of the 'E' unusual?
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And while I have this image up here......perhaps this is just my eyes playing tricks on me, or I'm getting too small in the detail again, but there looks like a break in the outer edge of the tail
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and almost the illusion of a streak or break running through the inner edge of the tail and down through the left leg (see the full scan for the "illusion" of the streak). The first "frame join" is the serious question, the second part is just to see if I'm losing my mind!

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Hey, I've shown this stamp off a couple of times because of the postmark -- dated four days before the first day of Feb 19 (the stamps were issued a few days early in Tasmania).

Well. I went through my 4d roos looking to see if I had a copy of Josto's variety:

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It's interesting how many times you can look at one aspect of a stamp, and not notice something else striking about it.

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Looks like you folks have made a case for further interest in this particular flaw: 4 copies so far. Nice find........now you don't really want any more found do you??

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I have one more question about Roos for today.... this time it is the 1st watermark 1/ (which unfortunately is in pretty rough shape):
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It seems that there is a lot of heavy shading on this stamp. Is this normal for this issue, just over inking or is there something else going on here?

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librarianc wrote:I have one more question about Roos for today.... this time it is the 1st watermark 1/ (which unfortunately is in pretty rough shape):
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It seems that there is a lot of heavy shading on this stamp. Is this normal for this issue, just over inking or is there something else going on here?

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My opinion is that it is overinking.
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librarianc this Deep Emerald 1913 print was a pretty sludgy affair and shading lightness and variances were common, and also the odd little ink specks.

These 2 inverted wmks I sold this year show the typical ink variances across both.

The LH one has a similar solid blob off Cairns to yours, and the RH one has a small white "island" between Tasmania and value circle. Such minor transient hickeys we do not even comment on with these issues.
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austcollect wrote:

I have found a similar flaw on 4d roo, it looks like a constant flaw which should be listed in ACSC.

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Being a left pane piece with interpanneau gutter margin, really helps plate this error a lot. We know at least it it vertical row 3 left pane!

If anyone can plate either of the 2 adjoining stamps, we have a plate position for the flaw. :idea:
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There were no interpane lines on plate 1, so this is left pane plate 2.

So 2L4, 10, 16, 22, 28, 34, 40, 46, 52, or 58. And not likely the first or last of those, or we'd likely see the line watermark.

Anyone have a plating study of this stamp? ACSC lists only one flaw on this pane, at 2L7 -- no use to us at the moment.

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Nice detective work Greg! Yes if none of the 3 owners can see margin watermark lines it cuts out those 2 possibilities.

Your stamp is straightened up above.

I went and checked all my stock .. about 200 copies of this stamp M+U and sadly not a ONE among them. :twisted: :twisted:

What I did find tho was this magic cds strike of tiny Lower Mangrove .. which has not had a PO for 40 years.

This one DOES have a lower marginal line, FWIW. :)

Oddly the date slugs in the cds are all INVERTED .. not something I can recall seeing before from this era .. can anyone else?
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Thanks, Glen. Just for my own further Roo education, does this filled in area have any significance (as compared with your other copy) as a variety?
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Is it random or constant?
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John re the 1/- as I posted small ink globs are endemic on that colour, so I personally ignore them, as I did in that case.

I did however point out the outer frame break for interest!
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I think it might be 2L40. Compare the streaks in that interpane line with the photo in the Gray catalogue (page 69).

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Wait -- that makes no sense. ACSC says "(there are no interpane lines on Plate 1). Plate 1 without monograms, Plate 2 with JBC and CA monograms in lower margins under L57 and R58 respectively."

The block in the Gray sale shows interpane lines (so it must be Plate 2) but no monogram under R58 (so it must be plate 1).

Huh?

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Gray block has 1R48 var mentioned - so block can only be plate 1.

I'm not sure that any 4d Roos did NOT have central double line gutter - no matter what ACSC says.

Looking at larger photo in Cat none of the above positions match the gutter line, that's for sure. Shame. :x
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Better detail of the flaw from a scan josto just emailed me. :)
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Greg Ioannou wrote:Wait -- that makes no sense. ACSC says "(there are no interpane lines on Plate 1). Plate 1 without monograms, Plate 2 with JBC and CA monograms in lower margins under L57 and R58 respectively."

The block in the Gray sale shows interpane lines (so it must be Plate 2) but no monogram under R58 (so it must be plate 1).

Huh?

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ACSC says "(there are no interpane lines on plate 1)" also for 1st watermark 3d and 5d, as well as the 4d. These are the only roos with this comment in ACSC. I am not sure if the ACSC is correct about this. I do not recall seeing any 1st wmk roos without a central double line gutter.

Looking at the white streaks in the interpane gutter line in the Gray block, I agree with Greg that the flaw may be position L40 (1L40).
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Scan from strip of three alongside scan from Gray catalogue.

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Here I have a few Roo's with errors and hoping someone will be able to help out. I have checked my ACSC book but these flaws are not there. Well one is but....it is listed on a different stamp.

1st item:
This first one has added color to the bottom right corner, but according to ACSC it is only on the 1/2 green as ACSC 1i. :?:

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2nd item:
This item looks like it is worn or just not enough ink.

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3rd item:
This is a 6d blue with flaw about the cooktown area.

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4th item:
This is a 6d chestnut with flaws about the top right corner and border.

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5th item:
This is a 9d Violet Roo with a flaw at the bottom of the back leg.

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Thanks in advance for any idea on these items. Possible pricing also would be appreciated :)

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austcollect wrote:Scan from strip of three alongside scan from Gray catalogue.

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Yes on a close look I'd agree they are very llikely the same stamps.

Well done. :)
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Lisa the only one that seems likely to be constant is this .. but it MIGHT be a paper scuff, but owing to erratic shape I'd doubt that. :)

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austcollect wrote:Scan from strip of three alongside scan from Gray catalogue.
Yes on a close look I'd agree they are very llikely the same stamps.

Well done. :)
Dont you mean they both have the same interpane gutter line? One stamp is on the left of the gutter and the other is on the right.
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Lisa

1st item 2d grey: is not listed as constant flaw in 2d specialist book by Greg pope.

2nd item 2d grey: looks like wear due to scuffing after mailed.

3rd item 6d blue: probably scuffing again. If you look under 10x magnification scuff marks look like the paper surface is roughed up. Printing flaws show as smooth paper like the rest of the stamp surface.

4th item 6d brown: looks more like a printing flaw. Could not find any similar flaw in my stamps.

5th item 9d violet: looks like scuffing or paper adhesion. Not in 9d specialist book by Banwell and Parsons.

Value of all these would be similar to 'normal' stamps taking into account condition. Be lucky to get $1 each.
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austcollect wrote:Lisa

1st item 2d grey: is not listed as constant flaw in 2d specialist book by Greg pope.

2nd item 2d grey: looks like wear due to scuffing after mailed.

3rd item 6d blue: probably scuffing again. If you look under 10x magnification scuff marks look like the paper surface is roughed up. Printing flaws show as smooth paper like the rest of the stamp surface.

4th item 6d brown: looks more like a printing flaw. Could not find any similar flaw in my stamps.

5th item 9d violet: looks like scuffing or paper adhesion. Not in 9d specialist book by Banwell and Parsons.

Value of all these would be similar to 'normal' stamps taking into account condition. Be lucky to get $1 each.
Thanks for your collective comments, will put them away and add to others. As they say if you do not ask you will never know, that's why we have this board.

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Hello Everybody,

I think I am posting this on right topic. My second post till today.

I have found single line watermark in 2d Kangaroo stamp along with crown. I have not seen this before. If someone can help me highly appreciated. Please see picture below.

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Hi Kunal .. you are ALMOST there!

Use the IMG CODE link only to paste here - it will then show as a photo!

Have a good read of this tutorial - very helpful:

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=284
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Hi Kunal,

In photobucket, if you click on the box under the image that says "IMG code" it will flash "copied".

When you create a reply in Stampboards, simply press "cntrl" and "v" together or select "paste" from your toolbar, and voila!

The only other useful tip is to click on "preview" before you press "submit". This lets you check that the images are attached properly etc.

Have fun posting!

Oops - here's the back of your 'roo. Hope someone can help

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Re: Watermark unkown to me. need help

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Kunal wrote:Hello Everybody,

I think I am posting this on right topic. My second post till today.

I have found single line watermark in 2d Kangaroo stamp along with crown. I have not seen this before. If someone can help me highly appreciated. Please see picture below.

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Kunal,

This stamp is from the first column (left hand side) of a sheet. The kangaroo paper had a watermark line around all four edges of the sheet. Nothing terribly rare I am afraid.
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Dont you mean they both have the same interpane gutter line? One stamp is on the left of the gutter and the other is on the right.
Yes, I mean that section of gutter line is the same .. therefore the used error strip of 3 x 4d can be plated. :)

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After almost a century, that's a fantastic find. Almost impossible without stampboards 8)
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Sorry, I was wrong. But could anyone help me with the postmark?

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Josto a NSW sunburst .. very tough to read the number ... MIGHT be 183, but not well struck. :oops:
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josto wrote:Hi!

Does anyone know about this flaw! A few month ago I found a 4d roo with an inking flaw at western australia coast that I thought to be a kind of flyspeck but now I found a second one with the same flaw! Does anyone know this flaw? Is it a kind of constant flaw?

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The new flaw is the lead item in my new "Stamp News" column:

https://www.glenstephens.com/snoctober08.html

And many members above are mentioned in there by name. :D

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I can see it :?
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I can see it too. Nice article!

Does Geoff K. pay attention to articles like that?

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It's there now for me too.
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I recently came across this on an auction site and bought it for $0.35 cents. I can't seem to find a reference to it in the ACSC. It's CofA watermark 9d roo with a clear 'chopped' tail and small break in shading line below Australian coastline.

Has anyone else seen or got an example of the same?

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Greg Ioannou wrote:I can see it too. Nice article!

Does Geoff K. pay attention to articles like that?

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Whether he lists the new flaw and new early date is up to him of course. ;)

Perhaps email him yourself Greg, if you want to re-inforce it. :idea:
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Thanks for the response - just so I understand, do you believe this to be an unlisted flaw at present?

If so, I will do as you've suggested and forward Geoff Kellow the necessary.

Cheers and Thanks for the observation. - Matt O
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Hi Mat,

I think they're talking about the "Dirk Hartog" flaw as outlined by Glen in his new Stamp News column (or Stampboards update column as it is becoming :lol: :lol: ).

I'm sure someone will resond to yours - look like a great buy to me!

Cheers,

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Edit - :oops: changed the last letter of "buy" from a "t" to a "y"
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Oops!...so they were...looks like I somehow got sandwiched into the conversation...nothing like crossed telephone lines!

Many Thanks - Matt
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Pod wrote:I recently came across this on an auction site and bought it for $0.35 cents. I can't seem to find a reference to it in the ACSC. It's CofA watermark 9d roo with a clear 'chopped' tail and small break in shading line below Australian coastline.

Has anyone else seen or got an example of the same?

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That "Indigo" postmark would look great on a 2 1/2d 'roo!

Cheers,

Ewen
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