Queensland 2 line 'Registered' straight line handstamps

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 10 Oct 2007 12:35

I have been collecting Queensland 2 line registered handstamps for a while now (up till 1913) and am slowly putting my best examples on my website.

http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/Queensland%20Philately/236606

I have put up all my evelope examples and with the rest I have done a-f.

It will probably take a couple of months to put the rest up, so please have a look every month or so if you are interested in this material.

In 1990 Hugh Campbell published a list of two-line registered handstamps in his Queensland Postal History book (pp. 206-208).

In 1997 in his book Queensland Postal History & Australian Numeral Cancellations Supplements he supplied an updated list on pp. 27-29. I have not compared the two lists but presumably the 1997 list is more comprehensive.

I have discovered in my collection a number of handstamps not listed by Campbell, namely Albion, Alice, Aldershot, Anakie, Camboon, Daintree, Esk, Goombungee, Homebush, Killarney, Monkland, Nelson, Pentland, Proserpine, Rosewood, Wallangarra, Wallumbilla, Woombyne and Woorooroka.

The links to the ones not listed by Campbell that I have put up on my website so far are:

Albion (I have two examples) http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/1947481#159635109
Alice http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/1947481#159635151
Aldershot http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/1947481#159640702
Anakie http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/1947481#159649181
Camboon http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/1947481#98821120Daintree http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/3444543#194767290
Esk http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/3444543#204509010

There are some unusual anomalies too. For example, I have a registered cover from Dalveen, http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/gallery/3444543#98815099

without a registered handstamp. Campbell does not list a handstamp for this post office so presumably it was never made, lost or never used?

I am also missing many of those listed by Campbell and am interested in adding them to my collection.

let me know what you have and if you are interested in this field

Post by **ozstamps** » 22 Oct 2007 20:58

Jeremy - no thread works well on this board unless you add some actual images to discuss. 8)

That is how stampboards works.

Use the "IMG" box or IMG tags, and you will give us all something to look at and comment on.

Lakatoi 4 · Post by **Lakatoi 4** » 22 Oct 2007 21:52

Yes Jeremy, an image is worth a thousand URL's

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 22 Oct 2007 23:33

sorry guys, will do so soon

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 22 Oct 2007 23:45

Here are my 2 line registered handstamps for Albion that are not listed by Campbell

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 22 Oct 2007 23:50

Some more not listed by Campbell

Aldershot

Alice

Anakie

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 23 Oct 2007 00:01

I am getting the hang of this now

here are

Daintree

Esk

Post by **ozstamps** » 23 Oct 2007 00:41

VERY nice.

The exact same kind of 2 line Qld handstamps were used in Papua from 1901 .. do you collect those too?

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 23 Oct 2007 10:15

No I do not collect them Glen. All I collect in that line is Queensland stamps used in Papua but they are scarce and very expensive so I only have a handful of Queensland stamps with Papua markings. The registered handstamps I have shown here in this thread are pretty fragmentery so here is an example of what a complete one looks like.

This is a Cordalba 2 line registered handsatmp. The Cordalba post office opened in 1896 and is 11 km north west of Childers. The unframed circular datestamp is type 3c, dated 6 December 1904 and is listed as scarce. This is the latest known date for this datestamp type at this post office. The barred numeral number is 537 and is listed as scarce.

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 23 Oct 2007 21:37

Here are two more not recorded by Campbell

Adavale

Corfield

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 23 Oct 2007 22:16

This one is not recorded by campbell either. Donaldson 2 line registered handstamp. The post office is 88 km north of Cloncurry and opened in 1895.

Seapaw · Post by **Seapaw** » 23 Oct 2007 22:54

Hi Jeremy,

I'm no specialist in postmarkings for Qld (so please excuse the question/query.)

Most of the registered markings appear with the 1d and 2d from latter stamp issues of Queensland - when was the two line registered hand stamp first used?

I went through my stockbook of Qld and found the three items below - I'm guessing one is 'Paddington', any idea on the other two (or even whether these are samples of the two line registered stamp? - earlier issues than the 1d/2d samples you have listed - or are they earlier issues being used at a later date?)

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 23 Oct 2007 23:10

They are all examples of the 2 line registered handstamp. Acording to Campbell, the handstamps with the lettering 3.5 to 5 mm high were issued up to around 1872, but of course many were then in use all the way to around 1913. The larger handstamps, with letters 5 to 6.5 mm high, were progressively introduced from 1873 onwards.

Ldine is Barcaldine
Roy is probably Croydon as the first letter looks like it could be a C. Other possibilities are Kingaroy, Cooroy or Collaroy.
Ding is probably Paddington

Kev · Post by **Kev** » 23 Oct 2007 23:30

Very Good - I try to do as well but one does need to know all of the possibilities!
Kev.

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 23 Oct 2007 23:39

Same with me Kev. I don't add them unless I am certain. If I can't be sure it is most unlikely that anyone else can be sure.

Post by **admin** » 29 Oct 2007 22:57

Jeremy's own reverse list can be MOST useful folks, when added to Mr Gates features. :

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=3013&

Bring up that post, hit the CTRL and F buttons together, and type in the letter you are CLEARLY see like LDINE and youi are done! 8) 8)

Post by **ozstamps** » 20 Dec 2007 01:37

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Here is the nicest looking 'eye appeal" one I've owned for a while.

It has the "works". 8)

Clean and fresh with no toning or foxing whatever. 1904 to Hobart in the COMMONWEALTH period. The attraction of being a black edged "Mourning" envelope adds to the visual appeal.

Sharp tying strokes of the numeral 636 - a rare postmark rated RRRR. (3 strikes here!) And a strong 2 line tying Registered handstamps of "REGISTERED/FINCH HATTON" and the cds as well - a crisp "Finch Hatton 29 Jul - 07".

An array of handstamps on the reverse including yet another of the scarce "REGISTERED/FINCH HATTON". Gladstone and Mackay transits. Hobart arrival. nice TPO cancel - "T.P.O. No. 1 I.N.Cc - DOWN 31 JY - 07"

Had a pencil note with lot "Macray Auctions Lot 737 27/9/88 $343" - which I presume was the Auction cost 20 years back? Anyone have some old Macray cats to check on that?

Glen

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 20 Jan 2008 07:07

I have been working on a scarcity rating for Queensland 2 line registered handstamps and R in Oval handstamps based on my own collection and the lists compiled by Campbell. I have worked on the assumption that Campbell had access, though his own and other extensive collections, to many more examples then I have. I have therefore devised a rating as follows:

Common - readily available
Scarce- not as readily available as common, but still relatively easy to find
Rare - very hard to find
2 R - listed by Campbell but not held by me
4 R - held by me but not listed by Campbell. I will also include in this category strikes not held by me or listed by Campbell seen in catalogues, Ebay etc. The only ones so far are Crocodile Creek and Indooroopilly.

This is a work in progress and comments are welcome. I am slowly putting up my best examples on my website at http://jeremy29.smugmug.com/Queensland%20Philately/236606 and am up to M so far.

Here is the first part of my list, A-B

The Table does not reproduce well so here is how it works.

Eg. BIRRALEE 2R X (2 R)

This means that the registered handstamp for Birralee is a 2R. The X signifies that this post office also used an R in Oval handstamp and that scarcity rating is 2R.

ADAVALE R
ALBION 4R
ALDERSHOT 4R
ALICE 4R
ALLORA R
ALOOMBA 2R
ALPHA S
AMBY 2R
ANAKIE 4R
ARAMAC S
ATHERTON 2R
AUGATHELLA C X (2R)
AVONDALE 2R
AYR R Known in red
AYRSHIRE DOWNS 2R
BLACK PLAINS, CLIFTON 2R
BALD HILLS 2R
BANANA 2R
BARCALDINE S X (2R)
BAUHINIA DOWNS 2R
BEAUDESERT 2R
BEDOURIE 2R
BEENLEIGH 2R
BELL R.S 2R
BETHANA 4R Apparently it became damaged, one example known
BIGGENDEN 2R X (2 R)
BIRDSVILLE R
BIRRALEE 2R X (2 R)
BLACKALL C X (2 R)
BLACKWATER 2R
BOGANTUNGAN 2R
BOLLON 2R
BOONAH 2R Known in violet
BOONMOO 2R
BOROREN 2R
BOULDERCOMBE 2R
BOULIA C
BOWEN R Known in red
BRANDON 2R
BRISBANE --------- X (C)
BROADMOUNT 2R
BROOKVILLE R
BUDERIM MOUNTAIN 2R
BULIMBA 2R
BUNDABERG 2R X (C) Registered handstamp and R in oval both known in red
BUNDAMBA 2R
BUNGEWORGORAI 2R
BURDEKIN 2R
BURKETOWN 2R

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 20 Jan 2008 07:13

Here is C-E

CABOOLTURE 2R
CAIRNS R X (S)
CALCIFER R
CAMBOON 4R
CAMBOOYA 2R
CAMOOWEAL 2R
CAPELLA S
CARDWELL 2R
CHARLEVILLE C
CHARTERS TOWERS 2R X (C)
CHILDERS C Known in violet
CHILLAGOE R
CHINCHILLA R
CLARE 2R
CLERMONT C
CLIFTON 2R
CLONCURRY C X (2 R)
COEN 2R
COLLAROY 2R
CONDAMINE 2R
COOKTOWN ------------ X (R)
COOLGARRA 2R
COOMERA 2R
COORAN 2R
COOROY 2R
COPPERFIELD 2R
CORDALBA R
CORFIELD R
CORINDA 2R
CRESSBROOK 2R
CROCODILE CREEK 4R Premier Postal Auction # 76
CROWS NEST 2R
CROYDEN R X (C)
CUNNMULLA C
DAINTREE 4R
DALVEEN 4R
DALBY --------- X (R)
DEGILBO S
DINGO 2R
DIRRANBANDI R X (2 R)
DONALDSON R
DONORS HILL R
DOWNFALL CREEK 2R
DUARINGA S Known in red
DUGANDAN S
DUNGENESS R
DUNWICH S Known in blue
EAGLE JUNCTION 2R
EIDSVOLD S
EMERALD 2R
EMU PARK 2R
ENGELSBURG 2R
ESK 4R
ETON 2R
EULO R
EUMUNDI R
EWAN 2R

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 20 Jan 2008 07:30

And F - L

FERNVALE R
FINCH HATTTON 2R
FOREST HILL R
FORTITUDE VALLEY C
FRIEZLAND 2R
GATTON 2R X (2 R)
GAYNDAH 2R
GEHAM 2R
GEORGE STREET R
GEORGETOWN R
GERALDTOWN R
GIN GIN S
GIROFLA R
GLADSTONE C 2 types known. Known in violet
GOLDEN GATE C
GOODWOOD R
GOOMBUNGEE 4R X (2 R)
GOONDIWINDI S X (2 R) 2 types known
GRACEMERE 2R
GRANDCHESTER R
GRANTHAM 2R
GREENMOUNT 2R
GURRUMBAH 2R
GYMPIE ------------- X (C)
HALIFAX R
HAMBLEDON JN 2R
HEBEL 2R X (2 R)
HEMMANT 2R
HENDON R
HERBERTON S
HILLVIEW 2R
HOMEBUSH 4R
HOMESTEAD R
HOWARD 2R
HUGHENDEN R X (S)
HUNGERFORD 2R
ILFRACOMBE S
INGHAM S
INDOOROOPILLY 4R EBAY
INGLEWOOD 2R
INNISPLAIN 2R
IPSWICH C
IRVINEBANK 2R
ISIS JUNCTION 2R
ISISFORD S
ITHACA 2R
JERICHO 2R
JIMBOUR 2R
JONDARYAN R
JONDOWAIE 2R
JUNDAH R
KANGAROO POINT R
KARUMBA 2R
KEDRON 2R
KILCOY 2R
KILKIVAN S
KILLARNEY 2R
KINGAROY 2R
KINGSBOROUGH 2R
KURANDA R
KYNUNA R
LAIDLEY R
LAKES CREEK 2R
LANDSBOROUGH 2R
LAPPA LAPPA 2R
LAURA 2R
LEYBURN R
LOCHNAGAR 2R
LONGREACH S Known in blue
L. COOMERA 2R
LOWOOD 2R

AndrewWalker · Post by **AndrewWalker** » 06 Mar 2008 21:47

Another one for Jeremy's list,
I received the latest Sydney Views today (issue 98 )
and it has a newly discovered registered handstamp for
LIMESTONE tied to numeral 467 (the title of the article has a
typo)

Well done Ken!

Andrew

(PS Jeremy is out of town so he may not update this for
a couple of months yet).

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 06 Mar 2008 22:14

Thanks Andrew, that's great news.

Yeah, I am in Darwin and then Elcho Island for the next couple of months but I am on line.

Pity I couldn't bring my stamps with me though

Post by **ozstamps** » 07 Mar 2008 05:50

GREAT place for them to get toned up there Jeremy.

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 09 Mar 2008 00:04

That's why they are staying at home Glen

AndrewWalker · Post by **AndrewWalker** » 08 Apr 2008 22:12

Ebay 310039047687 has a ONE MILE CREEK two liner 8)

Andrew

Post by **ozstamps** » 08 Apr 2008 22:22

Buried in a pile of crud.

Post by **ozstamps** » 08 Apr 2008 22:26

Andrew we always aak members post the LINK for ebay lots, with the PHOTO saved in photobucket so it stays here forever. 8)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310039047687

Glen

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 08 Apr 2008 23:42

Actually the One mile Creek 2 line handstamp is fairly common

AndrewWalker · Post by **AndrewWalker** » 09 Apr 2008 21:18

ozstamps wrote:Buried in a pile of crud.

Actually, it's amazing how often you can find hidden gems in lots
like this. Varieties that hardly anyone knows of

Maybe it should be called "research" grade ?

Here's one I recently saw in a small QLD lot, it has a bad corner,
short perfs and goodness knows what other flaws,
but it is the first example I've ever seen with the perf inverted!
(or is it upside down?)
Andrew

PS Thanks Jeremy for letting me know it was a common cancel!

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 09 Apr 2008 21:30

well spotted Andrew. I have been looking out for inverted OS perfins since I started and have yet to find one. From memory, Dave's website (I don't have the address with me but if you find it you can post it), lists some examples of QLD OS inverted and back to front perfs. I think yours is inverted.

Regards

Jeremy

Post by **admin** » 09 Apr 2008 21:46

Nope.

Inverted AND reversed. 8)

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AndrewWalker · Post by **AndrewWalker** » 09 Apr 2008 22:32

Jeremy, I know the page you mean, I think it is just on the varying number of holes. Anyway, I'm going to start a new thread in
the images area to keep this one on topic!

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=224559#224559
Andrew

dwhopper · Post by **dwhopper** » 05 May 2008 14:10

Jeremy29

Are you ever going to post the last half of the Registered handstamp list?

reddog · Post by **reddog** » 05 May 2008 14:44

Here's Pratten, near Allora.

Cheers,
Mark.

jeremy29 · Post by **jeremy29** » 02 Jul 2008 17:59

Apologies for not upgrading the list guys, but I am still up in the Northern Territory and won't be down south for a while yet. But, good things come to those who wait

josto · Post by **josto** » 02 Jul 2008 20:12

Hi!

I also found two of these cancels, but I don`t know which towns they are!

Greetings

Kev · Post by **Kev** » 02 Jul 2008 20:51

josto wrote:Hi!

I also found two of these cancels, but I don`t know which towns they are!

Greetings

Both "Registered" but .....?
Cheers, Kev.

AndrewWalker · Post by **AndrewWalker** » 03 Jul 2008 01:22

First maybe Mount Morgan??

Post by **admin** » 03 Jul 2008 03:09

Yes Mount Morgan seems a VERY accurate suggestion to me.

josto · Post by **josto** » 09 Jul 2008 01:45

Hi!

Maybe these two could also be such kind of cancels?

Greetings

Post by **ozstamps** » 09 Jul 2008 02:09

Yes .. first one is Warwick it looks to me ..............

AndrewWalker · Post by **AndrewWalker** » 10 Jul 2008 20:43

Second one I'd say is CUNNAMULLA

Andrew

Bernie · Post by **Bernie** » 02 Sep 2009 21:55

ozstamps wrote:

Here is the nicest looking 'eye appeal" one I've owned for a while.

It has the "works". 8)

Clean and fresh with no toning or foxing whatever. 1904 to Hobart in the COMMONWEALTH period. The attraction of being a black edged "Mourning" envelope adds to the visual appeal.

Sharp tying strokes of the numeral 636 - a rare postmark rated RRRR. (3 strikes here!) And a strong 2 line tying Registered handstamps of "REGISTERED/FINCH HATTON" and the cds as well - a crisp "Finch Hatton 29 Jul - 07".

An array of handstamps on the reverse including yet another of the scarce "REGISTERED/FINCH HATTON". Gladstone and Mackay transits. Hobart arrival. nice TPO cancel - "T.P.O. No. 1 I.N.Cc - DOWN 31 JY - 07"

Had a pencil note with lot "Macray Auctions Lot 737 27/9/88 $343" - which I presume was the Auction cost 20 years back? Anyone have some old Macray cats to check on that?

Glen

What a lovely cover - Bernie

dwhopper · Post by **dwhopper** » 05 Sep 2009 06:18

The Finch Hatton postmaster must have been very good at the art of postmarking. Here is the example I have.

dwhopper · Post by **dwhopper** » 05 Sep 2009 06:21

A series of 2 line registered markings that are not listed by Campbell.

Kingaroy

Kynuna

Listowel Downs

Marburg

Wallumbilla

Post by **admin** » 05 Sep 2009 09:59

"Bernie" above is Bernard Manning who has recently publshed a 250 page Qld cds handbook.

He is looking to do a work on these straight line handstamps he tells me.

Didge · Post by **Didge** » 05 Sep 2009 10:36

Bernie,

Nice to see you posting here. I was lucky enough to buy the cover that you like from Glen. I dont collect for the markings. I just thought it was a great Commonwealth era cover so grabbed it. Its a very nice item and Philataly as art in my mind.

Tim

Didge · Post by **Didge** » 05 Sep 2009 10:37

Folks,

DW's Finch Hatton and mine must have come from the same sender I recon. Nice cover DW.

Tim

dwhopper · Post by **dwhopper** » 05 Sep 2009 11:28

Same sender sending in his sweeps two weeks later.

Post by **admin** » 05 Sep 2009 11:40

As his April 1, 2008 member data shows, Bernie has been a member for about 18 months, but was not entirely sure how the board worked.

He made a long phone call to me this week, and I was able to walk him through the way the board works, and he got the hang of it fast, and I suspect there will be no stopping him now.

I sold a book today to Didge our Kangaroo resident expert above, as Bernie very helpfully rates the different Qld numeral on Roos and KGV.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=13912

I asked Bernie out of curiosity what a well struck "RRRRR" number like this 713 on a 1d roo would fetch at auction. He said something in the order of $250 would not surprise him at all.

Proving my long held adage that "Knowledge Is Power" ... didge or others finding one of these or something else similar, in a junk lot, once in his life, and the book is paid for twice over, essentially.

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