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Mike Hardcore

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Jul 16, 2003, 6:06:30 AM7/16/03
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Since it was brought to my attention recently that most of
rec.moto thinks I went and died... Here's what I'm doing lately.

I've got this 2000 R1100RT that I picked up recently. My first
'touring' or 'old fart' bike. And oddly enough, I'm having a
ton of fun with this bike. It gets far more miles than anything
else in the stable right now.Now since, I can't leave anything
stock for more than two minutes. I've started modifying it.

No kiddos, not with your typical BMW Rider Mentality. Which seems
to be 20 running lights, a GPS/Radar Detector/Weather Station,
a funky looking ergo seat, or other obscure shit that only another
ride-to-eat BMW owner would appreciate. I've got my engines set to
Full Bling Ahead.

First thing... I installed a Kenwood CD/CDR/RW/MP3 deck in the
'radio box'. But to hell with those POS puny 4 inch stock BMW speakers.
I fabricated some mounts and installed some Rockford Fosgate
5 1/4 monsters with separate 1 inch dome tweeters all wired into
their own passive crossover matrix. All tucked uner the dash, you'd
never know it was there till I turned it on.

But that's typical stuff...

So I installed a full Neon kit, 'ice blue' to match the paint.
Now at night it doesn't look like I ride a bike, so much as a
hovercraft. A five inch tube over each cylinder head, two
eight inch tubes in the rear fenderwell, an eight inch tube
under the nose, and an eight inch tube along the oilpan.

http://www.squick.net/pub/digicam/r1100rt/neon-bmw/

The chrome valvecovers from the R1200C bolt right on, they
should be in this week. The R11RT needs sparkly bits.

Meantime, the stereo seriously lacks punch down low... So I
got a spare topcase, and I've started on the subwoofer project for
the RT. So far I'm using the following components

- Rockford Fosgate 400S 2-Channel Amp
- Rockford Fosgate Punch HE2 dual 2 ohm voicecoil 8 inch Subwoofer
- Rockford Fosgate Power .5 farad digitally controlled Stiffening Capacitor

For wood I'm using 3/4 inch MDF, cutting all the templates by hand out
of cardboard, and tweaking as nessassary for the final wood bits.
Basically what I'm building is a bandpass box disguised as a topcase.
The BMW topcase is ideal for this, since the lid is a double-layer
unit... It's almost like they had this project in mind.

For wiring I'm using a 15 pin '92' Molex connector on a pigtail out
of the bottom of the box that will feed behind the passenger seat
to the other end of the Molex plug. That gives me more than enough
connections. Power, Ground, tripwire, four for Left/Right audio, and four
for the amp's 'remote sub control' feature. Basically I'll have a knob under
the Kenwood remote control on my left grip that will allow me to boost
or decrease the subwoofer by 18db. That leaves three open pins
on the connector. I may run another pos/neg and throw some
EL wire or neon back in the box to match the neon I already have
installed. Once this is done, I should be able to pop my seat,
pop off my 'storage' topbox, pop on the 'sub' topbox, plug it in,
and pop the seat back on in a matter of a couple minutes.

Once I have everything glued and screwed tomorrow, I'll bust out my
nice speakerbox carpet and some Super 77 spray adhesive and cover
the wood parts. My goal is to have a super-clean show-worthy installation.

The progress so far : http://squick.net/pub/digicam/r1100rt/rt-sub/

The only remaining things I can see are chrome plating the
aluminum sideboards, and getting the rims chromed out. Maybe
a nice set of those blue rubber tires whenever cycletires.com
decides to make them available. Or maybe custom heavy metal flake
bumper-car paint of some sort.

The 999s gets no love...
...so yeah, I've been busy.

-Mike-
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Mike Hardcore is: Biker ~ Slacker ~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker
Squidly's ~ www.squidlys.com - SC Vampires S&MC ~ www.santacruzvampires.com
Ducati.vs Women - One's a sexy thing that you've just got to ride, even if
it breaks down a lot, costs a lot of money, and will probably try to kill
you... The other is a brand of Italian motorcycle.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

notbob

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Jul 16, 2003, 10:20:37 AM7/16/03
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In article <di7ahv4hshp6ssa5m...@4ax.com>, Mike Hardcore wrote:

> So I installed a full Neon kit, 'ice blue' to match the paint.

I think it looks great, but I'm surprised blue is an option. Isn't
that, along with your red tail light, going to trigger some kinda cop
frothing-at-the-mouth those-are-our-colors reaction that's going to
get you pulled over?

nb

Tim Kreitz

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Jul 16, 2003, 11:23:03 AM7/16/03
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Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote in message news:<di7ahv4hshp6ssa5m...@4ax.com>...

> Since it was brought to my attention recently that most of
> rec.moto thinks I went and died...
[snipola]
> -Mike-

Yep. Squidly's has become a bit of a cobweb and you've definitely been
in stealth mode lately, so we're glad to see you're still alive,
Moike.

Anyway, nice bike project. Next time, don't stay gone so long.

Kindest regards,

Tim Kreitz
AMA #481284
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DoD #2184
2003 ZX7R
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1992 ZX600R
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Beth

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Jul 16, 2003, 11:45:38 AM7/16/03
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Mike Hardcore wrote:

> The 999s gets no love...
> ...so yeah, I've been busy.

Mike, that is totally siiiiick. i love it. you blingbling'd a BMW.

NEON! YES! HUGE SUBs! YES! :)

-Beth

M. MacDonald

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Jul 16, 2003, 11:37:20 AM7/16/03
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> "Mike Hardcore" wrote:
> I installed a Kenwood CD/CDR/RW/MP3 deck in the
> 'radio box'. But to hell with those POS puny 4 inch stock BMW speakers.
> I fabricated some mounts and installed some Rockford Fosgate
> 5 1/4 monsters with separate 1 inch dome tweeters all wired into
> their own passive crossover matrix.

Okay. I've been there with the Kenwood CD/MP3. It sucked. Skipped all
over the place on hard braking and railroad tracks. The MP3 portion skipped
less but it still skipped. CD players just don't like rough treatment on
bikes. Honda can't even get their shock-isolated CD deck in their new Gold
Wing to not skip if you've ever read their forums. On the BMW, the Kenwood
doesn't like vertical mounting (check the manual or call Kenwood's tech
support). Never designed for vertical mounting was what I was told. It is
limited to +/-30 degrees from horizontal. You'll discover this sooner or
later as it gets worse and, consequently, yank it out and put in in your
car.
I agree with your speaker job. The stock 4" speakers suck big time. That
is one of the main reasons BMW's audio system is sooo poor. Very tinny for
a dual-coax unit - aside from being obscenely overpriced. The 5 1/4" would
be a better bet. I'd toss in some dampening material behind them as well to
improve bass response. The sub-woofer is kinda cool though. Put some
Harley-D sounds on it and ride around. ;o)

Fwiw, I'd wonder about the blue lights too if the CHP is around. They just
get too rubbed at times.

Good luck.
Mack


barbz

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Jul 16, 2003, 12:41:55 PM7/16/03
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Mike Hardcore wrote:
> Since it was brought to my attention recently that most of
> rec.moto thinks I went and died... Here's what I'm doing lately.
>
> I've got this 2000 R1100RT that I picked up recently. My first
> 'touring' or 'old fart' bike. And oddly enough, I'm having a
> ton of fun with this bike. It gets far more miles than anything
> else in the stable right now.Now since, I can't leave anything
> stock for more than two minutes. I've started modifying it.
>
> No kiddos, not with your typical BMW Rider Mentality. Which seems
> to be 20 running lights, a GPS/Radar Detector/Weather Station,
> a funky looking ergo seat, or other obscure shit that only another
> ride-to-eat BMW owner would appreciate. I've got my engines set to
> Full Bling Ahead.

So it has dual Bling carbs? <G>

--
--barb

"Four wheels good, two wheels better!"

"Intelligent people who don't have a violin to grind realize that wind
forces generate far more resistance on your neck than helmet weight.
That modern designs do not inhibit peripheral vision, unless of course
that birdbrain you are in possession of has caused your eyes to migrate
to the side of your head."

--Demetrius XXIV

barbz

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Jul 16, 2003, 12:45:06 PM7/16/03
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Heh...I was mistaken for a cop yesterday on my way to work. Walking
through the parking lot to the landing, a guy asked, "Was that you on
the motorcycle ahead of me? I saw the antenna and saddlebags, and
thought you were a cop."

The "antennae" were two saltwater fishing rods, the holders being my
only bike modification. Now I understand why people on the freeway annoy
me by slowing down to the speed limit in front of me, lol!

mike

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Jul 16, 2003, 12:50:26 PM7/16/03
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In article <3F1581C3...@cox.net>, barbz <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:

> The "antennae" were two saltwater fishing rods, the holders being my
> only bike modification. Now I understand why people on the freeway annoy
> me by slowing down to the speed limit in front of me, lol!

So you ride a tuna boat then?

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Timberwoof

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Jul 16, 2003, 2:00:26 PM7/16/03
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In article <di7ahv4hshp6ssa5m...@4ax.com>,
Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

> I've got this 2000 R1100RT that I picked up recently. My first
> 'touring' or 'old fart' bike. And oddly enough, I'm having a
> ton of fun with this bike. It gets far more miles than anything
> else in the stable right now.Now since, I can't leave anything
> stock for more than two minutes. I've started modifying it.
>
> No kiddos, not with your typical BMW Rider Mentality.

Hey, Mike, come join us over at www.advrider.com. The gang would get a
kick out of your body modifications. --err, I mean motorcycle
motifications.

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bike: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle

John R Pierce

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Jul 16, 2003, 2:10:27 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:06:30 GMT, Mike Hardcore
<mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

>
>The chrome valvecovers from the R1200C bolt right on, they
>should be in this week. The R11RT needs sparkly bits.

I think those need different spark plug wires and/or covers. Did you also
order these parts ?


carlivar

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Jul 16, 2003, 3:46:16 PM7/16/03
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> So I installed a full Neon kit, 'ice blue' to match the paint.

Is this legal in whatever state you live in?

Just wondering.

Carl

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 16, 2003, 5:12:58 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:37:20 -0700, "M. MacDonald" <mma...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:

> Okay. I've been there with the Kenwood CD/MP3. It sucked. Skipped all
>over the place on hard braking and railroad tracks.

I took my time mounting the deck... I'm not having much of a problem at
all with skipping, not even at 120 mph over bots dots on the freeway.

What does get the deck is the resonance of having the windscreen lifted
a couple inches between 60 and 65 mph. Which happens to be just about
4k RPM on the tach... The point where boxer motors are the most buzzy.
(My Vibration Experience, R1200C, R1100S, R1100RT). The DIN unit is
sitting in lots of very soft foam and free floating as it would be, just
lightly held in place with a couple 'loose' bolts. As for vertical mounting,
it seems to work fine. I've only been able to get one mechanical error
so far that required re-loading the CD, but that was a pothole mid-lefthand
corner, and I was aiming for it to see how hard I could jar the deck.

But, as you said, could get worse. I'll report back in six months.
If it does go bad, no biggie. The Awia CD/MP3 deck in my 4800 watt
152db Subaru Outback just crapped out...

>be a better bet. I'd toss in some dampening material behind them as well to
>improve bass response.

Ahead of you there... The speakers are set and sealed in XTC custom foam
buckets. Makes them pretty much waterproof, and gives a bit of baffle
to help them drive harder. Crutchfield sells them in pairs for just about
any type or size of speaker you could possibly want. I've used them in
my car audio installations and was very pleased with the results.

>Fwiw, I'd wonder about the blue lights too if the CHP is around. They just
>get too rubbed at times.

The tubes are not directly visible at all, and the lights are very
subtle. Just a hint of a glow. Not that obnoxious spilling everywhere
of neon that the ricers seems to use these days. I made sure the tubes
were not working at their full capacity. And they're small neon tubes,
no more than a 1/4 inch, inside of 10mm acrylic tubes for protection.

Technically they're 'trim' neon for Phoenix Gold's class D high end
car audio amps. They were never intended for the application I've used
them for. But then again, a topcase is not supposed to be a bandpass box.

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 16, 2003, 5:19:22 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:10:27 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:

>I think those need different spark plug wires and/or covers. Did you also
>order these parts ?

New covers, yes... ordered.

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 16, 2003, 5:21:02 PM7/16/03
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Here's the basic poop. CVC Says that if the vehicle didn't come
with it from the factory, it's Not Legal. So anything you
bolt on or add that a cop decides get his panties in a bunch,
he can write you up a fix-it ticket for.

That's the way it works kids.

John R Pierce

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Jul 16, 2003, 5:33:37 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:12:58 GMT, Mike Hardcore
<mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

>that was a pothole mid-lefthand
>corner, and I was aiming for it to see how hard I could jar the deck.

careful. those 3-spoke R1100 wheels are *SOFT* and bend very easily.
keep slightly more than spec pressure in your front, this greatly
increases its life. I run 39psi front, 41psi rear on my 'RS


John R Pierce

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Jul 16, 2003, 5:35:48 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:19:22 GMT, Mike Hardcore
<mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

>>I think those need different spark plug wires and/or covers. Did you also
>>order these parts ?
>
>New covers, yes... ordered.

hey, what would you sell your stock valve covers and plug covers for? My
left valve cover is all munged up, and my right has the lame new-style
sparkplug strip on it, I'd love to get that all back to purdy (the old
style covers that say "4-valve" aren't available).


Mike Hardcore

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Jul 16, 2003, 6:03:23 PM7/16/03
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Yeah, I'm quite familiar with the chocolate rims they put on
the BMWs. I bent the fuck out of one of the five-spokes on
the R11S with factory recommended pressure in the tire on a good
sized pothole on 17. The tire wouldn't hold more than 15psi
after that before it started pissing air where the owie in
the rim was. I got it straightened and let BMW tell me that
'no our rims are not too soft' and 'no, nobody else has this problem'.

Needless to say, a rim that soft should at least be light...
BMW rims are soft, and double as boat anchors.

CalTrans actually kicked down for it when I sent them pictures
of the pothole along with their claim form.

I love motorcycles...

I hate motorcycle mfgrs, and I hate motorcycle dealers.

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 16, 2003, 6:04:47 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:35:48 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:

>hey, what would you sell your stock valve covers and plug covers for? My
>left valve cover is all munged up, and my right has the lame new-style
>sparkplug strip on it, I'd love to get that all back to purdy (the old
>style covers that say "4-valve" aren't available).

Dunno, what are they worth? both valvecovers, the oil fill tube, the oil cap,
and the sparkplug caps. Add that up, knock some off of it, and make
me an offer...

Craig Haggart, SSRL Accelerator Ops Group

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Jul 16, 2003, 6:00:48 PM7/16/03
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> I've got this 2000 R1100RT that I picked up recently...

Damn, Mike, so that WAS you I saw on northbound 280 a few
weeks ago! I was riding the F4 to work, came up on a guy
riding a BMW -- wearing camo, if I remember correctly -- and
thought, "Hey, that guy sure looks like Moike! Can't be,
though. Last I heard he was all busted up, and a new-ish
baby blue BMW somehow doesn't seem very Moikelike."

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David

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Jul 16, 2003, 8:15:23 PM7/16/03
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Damned Squids...


barbz

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Jul 16, 2003, 10:24:57 PM7/16/03
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mike wrote:
> In article <3F1581C3...@cox.net>, barbz <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The "antennae" were two saltwater fishing rods, the holders being my
>>only bike modification. Now I understand why people on the freeway annoy
>>me by slowing down to the speed limit in front of me, lol!
>
>
> So you ride a tuna boat then?
>

Nah...basically, we run all year. We're hoping the tune will come up to
San Diego, but it's a crap shoot. The boats run year round, and winter
rockfish are a ...shit, I sound like a commercial. Let's just say, when
the tuna are here, we hunt them relentlessly. When they're not, you can
expect a buncha bass and stuff. There's nothing like a hot tuna or
yellowtail when the bite's on, so I have to bring the right tools for
the job. I'm out of room for rods on my bike, guess I've gotten too
Sofisicated for the job.

Oh, and my R65 has an appointment for major surgery in August. That
annoyingly expensive valve guide inspection at 60,000 miles is due.
Anyone in SD wanna loan me a bike for a week? I'll take good care of it,
I promise...

barbz

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Jul 16, 2003, 10:36:34 PM7/16/03
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I say, try riding a squishy bike on San Diego roads! Since the city had
decided that Major League Sports are so much more important than decent
infrastructure, such as pot-hole-less roads, a creative individual could
prolly fall into one of these "deffered maintenance projects and sue
them for at least what the city is paying the chargers...

Alas, I can't do it myself. I've never fallen into a pothole, and I have
a reputation to uphold...

barbz

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Jul 16, 2003, 10:43:18 PM7/16/03
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David wrote:
> "Mike Hardcore" <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote in message
> news:di7ahv4hshp6ssa5m...@4ax.com...
>
>>Since it was brought to my attention recently that most of
>>rec.moto thinks I went and died... Here's what I'm doing lately.
>>
>>I've got this 2000 R1100RT that I picked up recently. My first
>>'touring' or 'old fart' bike. And oddly enough, I'm having a
>>ton of fun with this bike. It gets far more miles than anything
>>else in the stable right now.Now since, I can't leave anything
>>stock for more than two minutes. I've started modifying it.
>>
>>No kiddos, not with your typical BMW Rider Mentality. Which seems
>>to be 20 running lights, a GPS/Radar Detector/Weather Station,
>>a funky looking ergo seat, or other obscure shit that only another
>>ride-to-eat BMW owner would appreciate. I've got my engines set to
>>Full Bling Ahead.

I'm sure glad you clarified the "typical BMW Rider Mentality" for me.
I've been doing it wrong all this time!

--

jenner

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Jul 16, 2003, 10:52:32 PM7/16/03
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:06:30 GMT, Mike Hardcore
<mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:


>The 999s gets no love...
> ...so yeah, I've been busy.

You have too much money.

MB

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Mike Hardcore

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Jul 17, 2003, 12:57:04 AM7/17/03
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 03:59:34 GMT, MB <m...@sonic.net> wrote:

>http://www.sonic.net/~mkb/bike4.jpg

That is an impressive amount of fabrication sir.

Now I'll take one with all red LED's wired to some
simple logic to make them zoom zoom back and forth
just like KITT in Knight Rider.

=D

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 17, 2003, 12:59:40 AM7/17/03
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:43:18 GMT, barbz <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
(snip)

You know, back when USENET was my sandbox, and bandwidth/storage was
something not to be piddled away fruitlessly... If you quoted an entire
article to add one line of tripe, you got a few DOD FAQ's and some
corefiles in your mailbox post-haste.

Kids these days...

...and people wonder why I left.

notbob

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Jul 17, 2003, 11:24:48 AM7/17/03
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In article <3F161E51...@sonic.net>, MB wrote:
> Cool,
> Here are a few of the light I made for my RT.

[snip links]

>
> A "signalminder" keeps the signal lights on all the time.

First, nice job. Second, why?

nb

John R Pierce

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:24:48 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

>> A "signalminder" keeps the signal lights on all the time.
>
>First, nice job. Second, why?

so they provide 'marker' lights (much like parking lights on cars)... the
signal minder still blinks the correct one when you are turning, its just
that they are normally ON instead of normally OFF.


notbob

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Jul 17, 2003, 5:22:46 PM7/17/03
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OK, and how about the LED thingie. A map reader for getting lost at
night? Making sure your front tire can see the road? I'm baffled.

nb

Dave Schultheis

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Jul 19, 2003, 8:17:30 PM7/19/03
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Moike wrote:

> Here's the basic poop. CVC Says that if the vehicle didn't come
> with it from the factory, it's Not Legal.

Sorry to differ with you [slightly], Mike.

The vehicle code allows only lighting equipment that is "required or
permitted" in said code.

(Exs: You MUST have stop lights. You MAY have headlight modulators.)

> So anything you bolt on or add that a cop decides get his panties
> in a bunch, he can write you up a fix-it ticket for.

> That's the way it works kids.

You are essentially correct on that part.

However, if you can verbalize a good story (that whatever you have is
permitted), then you may get the citation kicked, or if lucky, you won't
get cited in the first place.

One other thing. The Vehicle Code allows "incidental" lighting that is
below a certain candlepower. For example: the white "opera" lights on
the outside of a limousine are legal. Another example: sideways-facing
green lights, not normally legal, are permitted, and you sometimes see
them on trucks, as long as they're not too bright.

Generally speaking, as long as you don't display bright red or blue to
the front, or blue to the sides or rear, AND you don't ride like a jerk,
you should be okay.

I'm looking forward to seeing the pork sausage delivery vehicle out
there somewhere.


Dave

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1992 CB750 Nighthawk

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Mike Hardcore

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Jul 20, 2003, 5:31:07 PM7/20/03
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I don't know if anyone has ever installed a system like this on a
motorcycle before. I know I've never seen it... Maybe one of the
Goldwing guys knows a friend of a guy who has this uncle who's
buddy had more audio gear on his bike.

RF Hardware used:

- RF FNX2514 5 1/4" drivers w/tweeters
- RF Mid-Tweeters from the FNQ3414 kit
- RF 400S 2-Channel Amp
- RF Punch HE2 dual 2 ohm voicecoil 8 inch Subwoofer
- RF Power .5 farad Cap

Other stuff:

- Kenwood KDC-MPV6022 CD/MP3 head unit w/wired remote
- PG full neon kit in 'ice blue' six hidden tubes total
- BMW R1100RT Topcase


For wood I used 3/4 inch MDF, cutting all the templates by hand out
of cardboard, and tweaking as necessary for the final wood bits.
Basically what I've built is a bandpass box disguised as a stock
BMW top case. The BMW topcase is ideal for this, since the lid
is a double-layer unit with a full surround watertight seal...
It's almost like they had this project in mind. Sub vents out of
a two inch wide vent on the lower 1/2 of the clamshell, firing
directly at my back.

For wiring I used a 15 pin '92' Molex connector on a pigtail out
of the bottom of the box that feeds behind the passenger seat
to the other end of the Molex plug. That gave me more than enough
connections. Two 92 pins each for Power and Ground. The rest get
a single pin, tripwire, four for Left/Right audio, and four
for the amp's 'remote sub control' +/- 18db feature. The RF remote
knob is under the Kenwood remote control on my left grip. I must
be a sadist at heart, because snipping, trimming, soldering, and
pushing 30 Molex pins will make your vision blur and cold sweat
break out on your forehead. I used 10ga wire for the positive
lead directly from the battery, and 10ga wire for the ground which
is on a very short lead out of the bike side of the Molex connector
to a ring terminal attached to a bolt on the subframe, I dremeled
the paint off the subframe to ensure a good connection.

I am able to pop off my 'storage' topbox, pop on the 'sub' topbox, plug it in,
and pop the seat back on in a matter of a minute.

Dash installation was a bit of a challenge. The BMW is only set up to
use 4 inch speakers stock. I was using the 4 inch FNQ units, but they
just weren't clear enough around 80mph without distorting. So I got the
FNX kit, did some tweaking, glued the drivers into a set of XTC foam baffles,
and glued them into the stock locations under the dash. I wired the drivers
and FNX tweeters up to the provided crossovers, while putting the existing
FNQ tweeters on the previously unused rear outputs from the head unit.

Needless to say, the larger 5 1/4" drivers and extra tweeters coupled with the
sub made a huge difference... Even at around 100 mph the audio is
perfect, and I can feel/hear the low/mids and hits of the sub no problem.
Remote sub control is nice. I can ramp it up when I'm on the freeway, and
drop it down when I'm in town so I'm not an asshole.

Photos of the construction (three pages)
http://squick.net/pub/digicam/r1100rt/rt-sub/

Photos of the finished project
http://squick.net/pub/digicam/r1100rt/rt-sub-done/

Things left to do: Chrome plating the aluminum sideboards,
getting the rims chromed out, and putting on the new style
chrome rocker box covers from the R1100CL I ordered on.

John R Pierce

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Jul 20, 2003, 7:37:19 PM7/20/03
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:31:07 GMT, Mike Hardcore
<mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

>I don't know if anyone has ever installed a system like this on a
>motorcycle before. I know I've never seen it... Maybe one of the
>Goldwing guys knows a friend of a guy who has this uncle who's
>buddy had more audio gear on his bike.
>
>RF Hardware used:
>
>- RF FNX2514 5 1/4" drivers w/tweeters
>- RF Mid-Tweeters from the FNQ3414 kit
>- RF 400S 2-Channel Amp
>- RF Punch HE2 dual 2 ohm voicecoil 8 inch Subwoofer
>- RF Power .5 farad Cap
>
>Other stuff:
>
>- Kenwood KDC-MPV6022 CD/MP3 head unit w/wired remote
>- PG full neon kit in 'ice blue' six hidden tubes total
>- BMW R1100RT Topcase

...

I hope you don't kill your battery at stopsigns with that current load....

When the engine drops below something like 2500rpm, the alternator isn't
going to deliver anywheres near its rated 50A ... That amp is normally
fused at 40A, I believe, which is 80% of the max power your alternator can
deliver... I'd guess the bike with its standard lighting draws about 10A
under normal operating conditions, so that 40A is *all* you get... I'm
guessing you plan on operating that amp well below its rated output, and
hoping your 'cap' will soak up the spikes. I dunno, but I think I'd
consider adding a Panasonic 12V 20AH AGM to power your sound, and using
relays or something to charge it off the bike.


Mike Hardcore

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Jul 20, 2003, 8:28:41 PM7/20/03
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:37:19 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:

>consider adding a Panasonic 12V 20AH AGM to power your sound, and using
>relays or something to charge it off the bike.

(snip)

The RTP bikes the cops use carry a spare battery on an isolator
in the glovebox. Sadly, where my stereo sits now. You can even
buy the parts to install it directly from BMW.

But, that's why I put the 1/2 farad digitally controlled cap
in the topbox next to the amp... It'l take the load off the
electrical system.

The amp is overkill for the sub, especially since I'm running it
bridged mono. And, yeah it's operating well below it's peak.
Stock it comes with a kit for an external fuse and a 40a blade type
fuse. I've got it fused inline with one of my spare Earthquake
fuse units (the clear nodule thing in front of the sub) and a 25a
fuse with no problem thus far. Bigger amps don't have to work as
hard, and they don't get as hot as a smaller amp would pushing the
same load, say the RF 200s, which would have worked fine in this
application. I've got the gains set pretty low at this point.
Anything over 1/2 gain and the bass just gets muddy as the amp
overpowers the sub.

I rode around quite a bit last night with the system cranked looking
for any dimming of dash illumination or headlights. None to be found,
and the readout on the cap was consistently showing proper voltage
when I would regularly spot check it. If I have to I'll buy a
secondhand BMW alternator and give it to a good car audio shop to
get re-wound. That's fairly commonplace in the car audio world
these days.

And anyway... Have you seen the battery they put in the RT?
I swear it was sourced out of a German tank... it's huge.

cstatman

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Jul 21, 2003, 10:51:26 AM7/21/03
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Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote in
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> But, that's why I put the 1/2 farad digitally controlled cap
> in the topbox next to the amp... It'l take the load off the

blah... how's it stoppie?

I wanna see some patented-trademark Mike and ONLY Mike monster mega
wheelies, while you are blasting out the tunes.

this is the coolest idea.


--
Assuring you of my best intentions at all times,

Charles Statman
Rocket Scientist/Wonderboy/Women's Legs Shaven

DoD the Un-Numbered One

EMAIL: cstatman @ yahoo.com
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C. Deforrest Smith

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Jul 21, 2003, 2:41:04 PM7/21/03
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Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote
> getting the rims chromed out

What?? No gold-plated spoked GS rims?

You don't want to overdose on the pimpitude, I suppose..


cds

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 21, 2003, 6:28:19 PM7/21/03
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On 21 Jul 2003 11:41:04 -0700, bd_...@hotmail.com (C. Deforrest Smith) wrote:

>You don't want to overdose on the pimpitude, I suppose..
>cds

You know, I didn't even think about spoked GS or R12C
rims. I think I just figured they'd explode under the weight
of the RT.

I think I'll stick with mags. I wish I could pick up a
spare set, but you'd think these things -were- made out of
gold with the prices I'm seeing for used ones on e-bay.

Expensive, heavy, and soft.... not a good combination for
a motorcycle rim. Unless you're into Harleys.

Timberwoof

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:12:04 PM7/21/03
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In article <impohv04schqsgjth...@4ax.com>,
Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

> On 21 Jul 2003 11:41:04 -0700, bd_...@hotmail.com (C. Deforrest Smith) wrote:
>
> >You don't want to overdose on the pimpitude, I suppose..
> >cds
>
> You know, I didn't even think about spoked GS or R12C
> rims. I think I just figured they'd explode under the weight
> of the RT.
>
> I think I'll stick with mags. I wish I could pick up a
> spare set, but you'd think these things -were- made out of
> gold with the prices I'm seeing for used ones on e-bay.
>
> Expensive, heavy, and soft.... not a good combination for
> a motorcycle rim. Unless you're into Harleys.

Mike, the GS rims are actually fairly strong. They take the kind of
pounding that off-road users give... The spokes are, compartively
speaking, short, and the cross-spoke design makes the wheels very rigid.

--
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John R Pierce

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Jul 21, 2003, 8:12:58 PM7/21/03
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:12:04 GMT, Timberwoof
<timberw...@infernosoft.com> wrote:

>> You know, I didn't even think about spoked GS or R12C
>> rims. I think I just figured they'd explode under the weight
>> of the RT.
>

>Mike, the GS rims are actually fairly strong. They take the kind of
>pounding that off-road users give... The spokes are, compartively
>speaking, short, and the cross-spoke design makes the wheels very rigid.

actually, I'll bet the gross max weight of the GS and RT are pretty
similar. The RT only weighs about 80 lbs more wet than my RS.

of course, the GS wheels won't mount the sort of sport-touring rubber that
RT's tend to run, they are too narrow and the wrong diameter in front.
You can probably find cruiser tires that fit, however.


John R Pierce

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Jul 21, 2003, 8:42:50 PM7/21/03
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:12:58 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:

>actually, I'll bet the gross max weight of the GS and RT are pretty
>similar. The RT only weighs about 80 lbs more wet than my RS.

ok, looking it up... all numbers for 1996 model year bikes, from
bmwscruz's webpile...


dry wet GVWR rear front
R1100RS 506 542 1059 662 397
R1100RT 563 622 1080 662 397
R1100GS 495 539 990 660 396

(all numbers in US pounds, of course)

so, R1100GS wheels have virtually the same weight ratings as the RS or RT
wheels. Note the newer R1150GS bikes have incompatible wheels and brakes.

I know they made R1100R bikes with wire wheels, but I don't know if these
are freely interchangable with R1100RT, the big concern would be the brake
rotors.

the R1100GS used...
Front: 2.50 x 19, 110/80R19 59H
Rear: 4.00 x 17, 150/70R17 69H

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 21, 2003, 9:23:02 PM7/21/03
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:42:50 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:

>the R1100GS used...
> Front: 2.50 x 19, 110/80R19 59H
> Rear: 4.00 x 17, 150/70R17 69H

Hmm, thanks... it's something to think about.

James Clark

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Jul 21, 2003, 11:41:26 PM7/21/03
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The RTP comes with wire wheels.

The CHP specified the cast wheels because cleaning spokes is a bigger
waste of time than helping someone hanging from a bridge on I5.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/courts_legal/story/6875198p-7825039c.html

John R Pierce

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Jul 22, 2003, 12:17:22 AM7/22/03
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:23:02 GMT, Mike Hardcore
<mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:42:50 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>the R1100GS used...
>> Front: 2.50 x 19, 110/80R19 59H
>> Rear: 4.00 x 17, 150/70R17 69H
>
>Hmm, thanks... it's something to think about.

another datapoint, hmmm. someone on the big beemer list answered a query
of mine with...

>Don't know about the GS wheels, but the R1100R wire wheels will fit. The front
>rotors are different (mount directly to the wheel, no carrier) as well as the
>rear rotor--it mounts to the wheel, not ther drive. The ABS sensor rings may be
>different, too. You should be able to use the RT calipers.
>
>Wheel and tire sizes are different. Both front and rear rims are narrower than
>the RT. The front is an 18" wheel, which may present clearance problems for the
>front fender. The shod wheel is an inch or so bigger in diameter than the 17"
>wheel/tire. The rear is 17", so there's no problem there. The combination of
>larger front/smaller rear diameters, plus narrower tires seems to change the
>geomtery enough to make the bike quikcer to lean into a turn, but a bit less
>stable-feeling in the straights. Your riding position will change too, because
>the bike will be tilted back a little more than stock.


god knows where you will get these wheels from, BMW charges like $600 each
for them(!!?!!?*$#@$@#!!!!!)

cstatman

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Jul 22, 2003, 12:51:51 AM7/22/03
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Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote in
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> Expensive, heavy, and soft.... not a good combination

are you talking about wheels, or my last girlfreind....

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 22, 2003, 1:13:10 AM7/22/03
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:51:51 -0000, cstatman <csta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(snip)

>are you talking about wheels, or my last girlfreind....

Or mine for that matter...

The next one will be a 'streetfighter' that's for sure.
I'm over chicks that look the way they used to paint them
on the nose of bombers back in WWII.

Jake McGuire

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Jul 22, 2003, 4:59:26 AM7/22/03
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Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote in message news:<impohv04schqsgjth...@4ax.com>...

> You know, I didn't even think about spoked GS or R12C
> rims. I think I just figured they'd explode under the weight
> of the RT.

The RT only weighs 30 pounds more than the GS, sadly enough. A bigger
problem might be the 19-inch front wheel and the skinny-ass rear
wheel. Besides, aren't spoked wheels generally stronger than mags? I
thought their downsides were weight, cost, need of adjustment, and
inability to run radial tires.

-jake

George Mealer

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Jul 22, 2003, 6:42:05 PM7/22/03
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Mike Hardcore <mo...@nospam.foo.squidlys.com> wrote in
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> The next one will be a 'streetfighter' that's for sure.

Stripped down and beat up?

Geo
--
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George Mealer

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Jul 22, 2003, 6:48:51 PM7/22/03
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James Clark <clark35.at.a...@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
news:3F1CB266...@mouse-potato.com:

> The CHP specified the cast wheels because cleaning spokes is a bigger
> waste of time than helping someone hanging from a bridge on I5.
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/courts_legal/story/6875198p-7825039c
> .html

Found an update to this:

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/7074878p-8022865c.html

The judge is letting the lawsuit move forward because witnesses who could
have otherwise helped Jelks left under the assumption that the cops would
take care of it. All in all, the mere existence of this case is fucking
disturbing.

James Clark

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Jul 23, 2003, 12:59:04 AM7/23/03
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George Mealer wrote:
>
> All in all, the mere existence of this case is fucking
> disturbing.
>
>

Disturbing, but not surprising. (Unless you haven't been paying
attention.)

C. Deforrest Smith

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Jul 23, 2003, 4:58:53 AM7/23/03
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[ http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/courts_legal/story/6875198p-7825039c.html
]

George Mealer <g...@snarksoft.invalid> wrote in message

> The judge is letting the lawsuit move forward because witnesses who could
> have otherwise helped Jelks left under the assumption that the cops would
> take care of it. All in all, the mere existence of this case is fucking
> disturbing.

No doubt..the officer should get a medal. Drunk, stoned football
players that drive & subsequently jump off bridges is something I'd
like to see more of.

"Jiboom Street"

cds

James Clark

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Jul 23, 2003, 9:45:48 AM7/23/03
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Timberwoof

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Jul 23, 2003, 2:15:38 PM7/23/03
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In article <3F1E918C...@mouse-potato.com>,
James Clark <clark35.at.a...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

And well it should.

It is a perfectly reasonable assumption that if the cops are on the
scene they'll take care of the problem. If the cops are there and you
try to get in on the action and your'e not an EMT or fireman, it's
perfectly reasonable to expect to be arrested or at least be told quite
firmly to get the hell out of the way.

It's disturbing that at the same time as the cops are begging off on
their duty to do anything in auch a situation, the legislature is
passing laws increasing citizens' duties to do help those who are
injured. So what are the cops good for?

Timberwoof

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Jul 23, 2003, 7:25:13 PM7/23/03
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Charles Soto

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Jul 23, 2003, 8:01:35 PM7/23/03
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Timberwoof <timberw...@infernosoft.com> wrote:

Good question.

Target practice? Verbal abuse? Donut testing?

Charles

--
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("Meepmeep" is "rr," as in "roadrunner.")

Mike Hardcore

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Jul 29, 2003, 6:54:00 PM7/29/03
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:12:58 -0700, John R Pierce <sp...@is.invalid> wrote:

>of course, the GS wheels won't mount the sort of sport-touring rubber that
>RT's tend to run, they are too narrow and the wrong diameter in front.
>You can probably find cruiser tires that fit, however.

Moot point. I scored a set of RT wheels of e-bay in perfect shape
for 250 bucks. They just arrived on my doorstep, I'll re-label them
and send them off to the chrome guy in Texas. Now I need a nice
set of either Braking wave rotors, or polished OE replacement rotors
to bolt on the front rim.

BMW is still being laggy and stupid about getting me the new
style chrome R1200CL valvecovers. I've got all the parts to
put them on, but no valvecovers yet.

And the bike apparently has a transmission seal leak and
some tranny goop is getting on my clutchplate. Luckily this
is a warranty item. So while the bike is in the shop torn
down getting that done, I'll send the sideboards out for
chroming as well.

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