So where can we send thank you notes and flowers to Harry Taylor?

(And did anyone see all the dozens of roses sent to Helen Thomas after she dared question the President about why he really invaded Iraq? BEAUTIFUL!!)

Image that; man asks 1 critical question of a coward president who hides behind screened crowds that are only positive; and it becomes a national sensation. What does that say about our limp flaccid impotent sqeamish press?

Harry Taylor spoke for the "silent majority." That's not a term we hear any more, oddly enough.

Interesting that Bush is allowing dissidents to attend his functions now. Wonder why. Can't be that he's listening to criticism about scripted events; smart people noticed that five years ago. Must be a simple case of low approval ratings. When you're at 33%, there's more room to go up than down, so he's playing "Mr. Nice Guy" for a change. "Mr. Tough Guy" doesn't work anymore.

Say thanks to Harry at

http://thankyouharrytaylor.org/

find the leaker yet george? Find Osama yet? Found Jesus yet?

"detaining Americans with (sic) being charged," withOUT being charged, I think is the problem

And in a different thread, it was postulated that the screening process might have broken down.. or that Harry is a registered Republican who had the balls to break the lock-step.. I don't think this was an "unscripted" event as some are calling it.. initial reports (here too, I think) said he "broke from the script" when the question was asked.

Don't think Shrubby is "changing" anything.. not at all. He honestly doesn't care that his ratings are falling below the rim of the toilet and starting to swirl. He honestly believes he's right and 200 million Americans (and a few billion others around the world) are wrong. He honestly can't see that going to war in Iraq for cash for his buddies and to avenge his father is ILLEGAL and WRONG.. he just sees that he got to spank a bad guy, something we all wish we could do sometimes, but would never kill other people to achieve our ends. Shrubby has never been held accountable for shit in his life, so he's OK with killing other people to get his whims met.

Now they are gearing up for a strike on Iran. Shrubby will do it with our withOUT Congress' approval, and will use the misleading statement of "wartime powers" (we're not at war, in case you all forgot. Congress never declared war, therefore, NO WAR). Shrubby is on a crusade, even if he won't admit it to himself. He, and those working for/with him, don't see Arabs as "equals" (well, the uber rich oil buddies, perhaps.. kinda). They are "lessor humans believing in false religions" and are therefore OK to kill off if they get in the way of "our will". It's scary shit, to be sure. But don't ever think Shrubby will "straighten out" on his own. Congress has to impeach this monster or he will drive the U.S. into the ground, and kill as many "of those agin' us" he can..

Ah.. the "went off script" thing was at Raw, commenting on Think Progress. I recon it may have been booked as a "non-scripted event".. But then, when has the MSM ever said "the pResident will be holding a scripted Q&A today to try and convince the public that he's not a dip-shit and people DO agree with him"?

Then we have this..

I'm guessing it's a pre-emtive "hey, it's not illegal, what we're doing" ploy. That is, since we don't yet know the extent of the tapping, we soon will. And once it's out that he's tapping ALL KINDS of people, without warrents or probable cause, they will fall back on this.

Perhaps some day the RePukes in office will get their heads out of their asses and stop this insanity. They are the ones that are aiding and abetting this Admin, and as far as I'm concerened, should be prosecuted right along side of him for violating the public trust. It's shameful (and should be criminal) that these people are taking money from tax payers and not providing any reasonable services to us. And we have to pay them their retirement once they are voted out?

Savantster, Bush & Co. know what they're doing is wrong.
The gold standard for them is--is it good for Bush & Co.?--instead of--is it good for the country?
Their entire family has not groveled to foreigners, lied & manipulated ever since grandpa helped Hitler for personal gain--just to save the damn world!
It's all about Bush & Co. advancing themselves & their friends & to hell with the rest of us.
It's obvious if a sense of responsibility & conscience existed in that family, they could never do what they've done.

Well, Pres.Bush let Mr.Taylor have his say, "Let him speak". Mr.Taylor told Soledad O'Brien that he is grateful that the President hushed the crowd and let his opinions to be heard.

Did you watch the video, Savantster? I think you got up on the wrong side of bed this morning.... You need to cool off. Here ->

In the video, Mr. Taylor says that he belongs to a group Charlotte World Affairs Council who was a sponsor. He was not cleared or had to be screened. So much for your theory ...

Perhaps you should try to get into one of these events. I'd like to see you try. Then you could do the same thing Mr.Taylor has done and get your 15 minutes of fame.

Have a nice day!

THANK U HARRY 4 STANDING UP

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As They Say In VERMONT Harry...

... U R A PISS-A

No, Mike J, didn't watch the vid.. at work at the moment. I read the transcript yesterday though (from the original event). And, given the proclivity of Shrubby to not take "real" questions, and his Administration to dodge all tough questions (and lie when they can't get out from under them), I don't have any doubt that this was still a "staged" event that went wrong. It's been proved time and again that he has "scripted events" and he trys his damndest to avoid talking with anyone that doesn't agree with him (and they block 'undesireables' from speaches).

I guess I don't see what you mean when you say "there goes your theory".. what theory? Shrubby went to an event he thought would be friendly? I think all the "booing" when Harry made his comments SHOWS that, in general, this is a Shrubby friendly org. Just because there were no "screenings" doesn't change the fact that the Admin thought/hoped/planned on being in a "friendly arena".

And instead of me "cooling off", how about you get fired up? Hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, 2300+ dead soldiers, 10s of THOUSANDS of dead Iraqis, near (if not full blown) civil war in Iraq, a governmental body in Iraq that refuses to take power/do their job.. and all started on a PACK OF LIES (proved). Illegal wiretapping that looks like it just might 'slip' into view as being "against any American the pResident thinks is a threat to national security".. Deficits at record highs (coming off SURPLUSES), record prices for gas (which is starting to effect the entire economy) while record profits are being made..

Wake up.. get pissed.. do something to stop these criminals from their pillaging and destruction of our country. Tell the rich ruling elite that you don't want to be their bitch anymore.. that you want to make sure this country is a place your posterity can truely love and be proud of.. that you don't want to let abuses and neglect effect 10s of millions of Americans when there is no good reason for it. Or, keep your eyes closed, head burried, and your sights set only on your self interests while saying "the rest of the world be damned! I'm gonna get mine!".

I hope Harry Taylor is doing OK - surprised he hasn't been "disappeared" to Guantanamo by the BushSS for being a "terrist".

Proud to be a tar-heel here!

Check the link postd by #4

292 pages of thank yous already.

"Interesting that Bush is allowing dissidents to attend his functions now. Wonder why?"

Robert, this is a very bad sign for the nation as it shows that Bush's handlers are supremely confident of their grip on the nation no matter how bad Bush may look. This generation of Americans now owns the dubious distinction of being the most politically inept, and generally brain dead, in U.S. history; fully incompetent enough to remain unaffected bystanders, as the Bush wrecking crew dismantles the U.S. economically, politically, and militarily. Never before has the nation been so close to destruction! Foolishly divided before the deadly threat, of a traitor ridden Congress, Whitehouse, and media, mainstream America is living its worst nightmare, yet doesn't even seem to know it!

Two things, Monti Cristo: The media are still protecting Bush by portraying his opposition as divided among themselves. And, the stock market hasn't (yet) augured the danger in the economy, i.e., that the monstrous budget and trade deficits will lead to a repatriation of dollars into yen and yuan, cause the dollar to collapse and inflation and interest rates to rise even as the economy implodes.

I agree it reflects ignorance. I think it also reflects complacency.

We extend our congratulations and admiration to Mr. Taylor for his explicit remarks which gave such an excellent portrayal of our incompetent president's approach to national and foreign affairs. Surely, there are several grounds for impeachment. Let's get him, sooner rather than later!

Robert you're correct. Even animals have the common sense to act in their own best interests, when cornered by a mortal threat. It's therefore remarkable that mainstream America is reacting to the mortal threat posed by the Bush wrecking crew, with a 'business as usual' attitude! Clear evidence of the iron grip the media maintains on the mainstream mind. Millions have thus been rendered mental cripples via TV for the most part! George Orwell tried to warn us about this type of thing, so it's sobering to see how easy it was to turn the U.S. into a fair replica of the old Soviet Union, in just six short years!

i love the looks on the faces of the sheep in the audience, they cant friggin believe somebody spoke the truth to their beloved leader. HAHAHAHA

9/11 was a false flag attack.

I saw Dredd said it last week, let me second his recommendation to go see the movie V for Vengeance. Great movie, Great message. The parallels with this country are terrifying. I feel we the people can only depend on we the people. In V the people are like us controlled by media but not believing a word its being told. Time to take our country back. With the congressional hearings from yesterday Weasel Gonzales says he doesn't rule out anything in regards to domestic to domestic taps. So I'm sure we are all being monitoed 24/7. The pResident is not denying outing Valerie Plame. Bunch of fucking criminals, every last one.

Thank you for having the guts to stand up to this dangerous and frighting Predency of george Bush

:) I'm in love w/Harry Taylor he understands humanity unlike the Prez - I'd like Harry Taylor to run for office because he eloquently speaks the truth! Those dumb conversatives say he's all about the same rhetoric w/no new ideas! This was a brilliant attempt by one man who stood up against a room full of fools including the biggest one - Bush who have given us nothing but lies! I'd rather hear the truth whether there's it's not a new idea or not - Harry Taylor - your're my hero! May I have your phone number 'cos I see you're divorce - are you available too?

"we're not at war, in case you all forgot. Congress never declared war, therefore, NO WAR"

Savantste, I love that statement! So true.

It's amazing that in this day, in our DEMOCRATIC society of the United States of America, that it would be such a big deal for any American to speak out against the "president".

But change is a coming. And the 33% who still support him (I know the # is lower) will know eventually that they are the minority.

Never forget:

There is still a Constitution of the US (no matter how much bushie tries to destroy)

This country is still about WE THE PEOPLE (no matter that right now Congress/Senate has sold itself to the CORPORATE whores)

And this is still the UNITED states of America.

Remember, the MAJORITY are United against bush!

:-)

Let's quit all the fancy BS retoric,and call Alferd E. Newman what he is,a lying sack of crap!

Congress would be the whores, the corporations are the 'johns'. And Bush (how apropo), the douche.
Harry Taylor did what we all wish we could do, give this 'man' an earful of why his approval ratings are in the toilet. He and the administration are totally out of control and they do have to be stopped. We are in a very bad situation. If the Congress changes hands and the economy tanks, the democrats are going to get blamed for it. Perfect timing? More like a setup. We are witnessing the end of a nation, maybe more. The Mexicans have it right. March in the street by the millions until they listen. We ARE the majority!

Congress would be the whores, the corporations are the 'johns'. And Bush (how apropo), the douche.
Harry Taylor did what we all wish we could do, give this 'man' an earful of why his approval ratings are in the toilet. He and the administration are totally out of control and they do have to be stopped. We are in a very bad situation. If the Congress changes hands and the economy tanks, the democrats are going to get blamed for it. Perfect timing? More like a setup. We are witnessing the end of a nation, maybe more. The Mexicans have it right. March in the street by the millions until they listen. We ARE the majority!

Harry was lucky to get in, he is a notoriously active democrat in this area (Charlotte, NC). We all assumed he wouldn't even be allowed to enter the event, much less make it through the censorship screening process that leaves Dubya with ridiculously easy, pointless questions. He (Harry) is a local hero. I hope his comments are heard 'round the world, as a rallying cry to those that need to absolutley join forces to elect someone who can begin to correct the mismanagement of Bush and his croneys. Do not allow the Right to rally around this, rather let us (the silent majority) feed from it to create a united front! Can hardly wait for 2008!!

Anybody else think Soledad acted kind of pissy towards him?

#29

Yes. That is what she is paid to do. You didn't think she was an objective journalist, did you? She's a hired "pretty face" just like Daren Kagan. What blows is that Soledad is bad for real women journalists (regardless of what they look like.) She reflects the stereotype that women are on TV to look good, not to think.

Thank you to both; the speaker and the President for upholding the First Amendment. Both men did their jobs as proscribed.

For Mike J.: Your argument is specious. There has never been a time in recorded history when angry people weren't plotting against other people. What you are advocating is nothing more or less than permanent armed conflict with whomever the president of the United States deems a "terrorist."

What is a terrorist, after all? To an Israeli, it's someone from Hamas. To a Palestinian, it's the Israeli who occupied his land and then sent the air force in. To a Nicaraguan contra, it was Daniel Ortega...to most Nicaraguans, it was the contras.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Nobody would reasonably argue that the 9/11 suicide hijackers were freedom fighters. But random acts of violence (terror, if you will) will never be eliminated altogether. Not ever, no matter how tough we talk or act in response to any single incident. So by establishing an "us vs. them"
construct, and suggesting that anyone not joining the fight is aiding the "enemy," you're really saying we live our lives for the sake of fighting people. Because the fight you want to wage will never end.
Never. And as the Israel-Palestine situation proves beyond the shadow of a doubt, violence begets violence begets violence in an unending cycle.

Bush sees it the same way you do. He recently said that a future president will preside over our exit from Iraq. Ongoing violence. Killing without end, on a treadmill to oblivion. Of course, Bush's kids aren't fighting the battle...someone else's kids are. And instead of fighting the same people who attacked us on 9/11 (the fight you're advocating), they're up against people who had nothing to do with 9/11!

That's just stupid, criminal, tragic, and dishonest, Mike J. "Us vs. them" isn't a foreign policy, it's a recipe for permanent casualties with no endgame.

The CNN news clip left out something potentially damaging in the exchange between President Bush and Harry Taylor. For the complete transcript, go to
http://www.whitehouse.go.../2006/04/20060406-3.html.

The President seemed amazingly well prepared during his response, but he made a little gaffe before he really answered. Was he talking to his earpiece when he said, and I quote: "You tapped your phone --- I tapped your phones. Yes. No, that's right. Yes, no, let me finish"!

I suspect he wasn’t addressing Harry Taylor or the audience, so who was he talking to? Here's a larger clip from the written transcript. Judge for yourself.

THE PRESIDENT: “I'm going to start off with what you first said, if you don't mind, you said that I tap your phones --- I think that's what you said. You tapped your phone --- I tapped your phones. Yes. No, that's right. Yes, no, let me finish.”

The first to mention the possibility that Bush uses a concealed earpiece was Fred Burks, a former Bush insider who was fired for refusing to sign a secrecy clause in his contract. Burks, who cites several suspicious situations, runs an excellent web site devoted to exposing government cover-ups.

One of the situations occurred during a Kerry debate, when Bush blurted out --"No, let me finish!" apparently addressed to nobody in particular. Perhaps he was telling his "little helper" that he had been prompted enough!

RLM
That's one of the most eloquent answers I've heard. You are so right 'dead' on. Mike J., Ricky and all you others out there should pay close attention to what you are backing. As 'patriotic' and cooperative you are in wanting the administration to fight against this nebulous enemy, be careful what you wish for. And keep in mind the Law of Unintended Consequences. Loss of our freedoms here was NOT in the bargin when they authorized the president to fight in Afghanistan.
Making more enemies than you are ridding the world of is MORE dangerous than less. Getting rid of Saddam has not at all made a better world. There will always be megalomaniacs and people that hate for hates sake. You can't eliminate them all. Fighting this enemy needs to be done INTELLIGENTLY, not brutally. Fighting evil in this manner is evil in itself. And while friends of Bush and Cheney make money off the endeavor, Halliburton won't even provide proper water to the troops. But B&C support the troops completely. Yeah right.

Laura #21

yes, great movie. I saw another one yesterday, titled Inside Man. What makes it also anti-administration, is a picture of the Bush family on the wall of the NAZI collaborator bank owner. It appears near the end of the movie where the Jody Foster character and the NAZI are talking in the fascist's office.

The person with me did not notice it, because it is a little out of focus. It is a wonder Spike Lee or whomever, does not get sued for it. But since they are political figures, and it only has their photos on the wall, perhaps they would have no case against Spike Lee et. al.

THE GOVERNMENT
SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE

THE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT FEAR
THE GOVERNMENT

V 4 Vendetta

I've been doing a lot of reading lately, about how the Bush family, since Prescot Bush, has used their political clout to divert tax money into the family fortune, via Arab connections, the Nazi's w/Prescot, etc... Very, very interesting how this Bush family works and how they acquired their fortune, and continue to divert our taxes & military for profits for themselves & their cronies.

We lost the Iraq War before we started it, by the way. Read a book about guerilla warfare. Experts knew this, before we even attacked Iraq. It's impossible to win a guerilla war. Absolutely impossible.

For Roger: Thanks for the compliment. It just galls me how otherwise intelligent people allow themselves to get caught up in this asinine "You're with us or against us" mindset.

Imagine what the world would be like if everyone thought and acted like George Bush. Suppose Spain (which had its Madrid railroad station bombed) decided to invade Lebanon, because a Spanish intelligence officer heard a rumor that a terrorist organization with an office in Beirut was behind the attack and declared, "Those Lebanese want to kill us."

Suppose England decided to invade the Vatican, because an I.R.A. gang blew up a building in London, and the English decided, "We've had enough from these Catholics. They want to kill us. Any Briton who doesn't join the fight against these bastards is anti-Protestant."

Slight exaggerations, maybe. But only slight. George W. Bush will go down in history as the biggest nincompoop ever to occupy the White House. I believe he has a functional disability of the mind, or is back on the booze, or both. Maybe he's just a bad, bad guy. But that still doesn't explain why one-third of the American people still support him...they can't all be as dumb as he is, can they?

Long live the honest human spirit and the candid expression thereof! And thanks to so many of you honest souls out there expressing truth at your keyboards. You make getting up in the morning a little less burdensome, a little more hopeful!!

Just want to thank Harry Taylor for speaking his mind. That was much better than asking a question of the President since he seldom answers honestly. Sorry there were so many unthinking people at the event who simply don't understand what this administration is doing to our country. Thanks Harry.

How in the world can the people sitting behind Bush not understand that this man's question is righteous?!

Did they not pass reading comprehension in school?

Poor ignorant fools....They think Bush is doing something for them even though they are not in the upper 1% income in the country.

Look at them foolishly applaud Bush & smile..."We're your grass King Bush. Mow us down." Smile...nod..

"1) join in the fight against an enemy that wants to destroy us"

I'll add to RLM's most EXCELLENT explination with this.. I can "aid in the fight" against those that want to do me harm, but I can aid by "helping them not want to harm me anymore" instead of "blowing the shit out of them".

You say that if you're against violence toward our "enemy" you help the enemy. That is a false argument because there are a lot more things that can be done other than pulling a trigger. It takes a pretty limited mentality to not understand that.

Muslims, in general, don't want to "kill us". They want us to stay OUT of their lives, out of their politics, out of their countries. Instead of listening to their wishes, we meddle and muck and fuss with their leaders and their policies. We try to bend their will and beliefs to be in line with ours instead of RESPECT them. Perfect example.. it's illegal in some Islamic countries to talk about Christianity. Yet, the Christians feel the need to "save them", and so sneak in missionaries. Not all that long ago, a few were caught BREAKING THE LAW of the country they were in, and WE sent in the MILITARY to SAVE them. Hmm.. so we're flexing our military might to protect criminals just because we want to sympathize with our own religion (we'll pretend Christianity is actually the U.S.' religion) and disrecpect the rights of others?

Our foriegn policy has been to sway governments to "like us", even to the extent of helping instill a repressive regiem against the will of the people of that country. That's criminal, if you ask me. And a HUGE part of why "people don't like us".

Basically, there will always be "terrorists" and a partially hidden enemy. We can be PREPARED to handle conflicts as they arise, and we can do our best to MINIMIZE the number of "them" that don't like us. But, we can NOT spend the rest of our lives in a "war on terror" where we pretend we've enacted Wartime Powers, especially when there is no declaration of war.. get it? If you (and Shrubby) were "correct" and there was the "unquantifiable enemy" that needed to have a "war" waged against it, you could convince others that it was such a grave threat that we needed to "declare war" on them. And, I don't recall anything in the Constitution that requires "war" to be declared on a "country" anyway. That means, if this "war on terror" was such a big deal, we COULD have an offical "declaration of war" against a list of "groups".. right? al Qaeda, for starters. Or Osama bin Ladden, for example. The problem there is, there would be an "end" in sight (disolution of al Qaeda, or death of bin Ladden). That's not what Shrubby (and his war profiteers) wants though, they want perpetual aggression against an undefined enemy so they can abuse their powers and get rich.

wake up..

For Savantster: Right. No endgame in sight, except to "bring democracy (sic) to Iraq," which wasn't part of the original rationale for our invasion. Bush has vacillated back and forth between fighting terrorists, depriving Iraq of "nook-you-ler" weapons, getting rid of Saddam, and battling a Muslim caliphate (actually, that's Cheney's reason).

Bush has admitted all this during an occasional lucid moment. He once said, "The battle against terrorism can't actually be won." Somebody should play the tape of that statement back on TV at the same time every night...maybe as a lead-in to the evening news, followed by the sight of another suicide bombing in Baghdad.

If we can't really win the war against terrorism (for once, Bush was right about something), then to insist we're staying in Iraq at least until he leaves office, as he did last week, is to admit fighting a war (sic) for the sake of fighting. That's worse than pathetic, it's criminal.

Bush's answers to questions reveal so much about the man and how he thinks, When Harry Taylor told him he was ashamed for America, Bush said, "I'm not your favorite guy." Meaning, "This is all about me, and what you think about me, and what the rest of my audience here thinks about what you think about me."

The gospel according to Karl Rove. Nothing matters except self-promotion, and bullshitting people, and demonizing critics. Political games. Style over substance. Bush is a friendly cowboy, Harry Taylor is an angry dissident, and everybody loves cowboys more than angry people.

Even when they kill people for no reason.

In light of the propensity of the mainstream media and government to deceive rather than inform; Americans suffer from debilitating ignorance about what's going on in their own country as well as overseas. I would caution all of you who're operating on the assumption that the Bush administration told us the truth about both 9/11 and the war in Iraq, to consider the more likely possibility that they lied about both.

In this country, it's customary to give leaders the benefit of the doubt, until they're caugth lying. At which point, it becomes foolish to continue giving the benefit of the doubt to such a leader. On the contrary it becomes imperative to demand independent verification, of anything such a lying leader tells us and if necessary remove said leader from elective office. Since the Bush whitehouse deliberately destroyed and tampered with 9/11 evidence before any investigation could be done, and demanded that the so-called 9/11 commission "limit their investigation", the official story of 9/11 and Iraq have as yet, no independent verification that they're true. There is however guite a body of factual evidence indicating that they're fraudulent.

This is the most important aspect of both the 9/11 and Iraq issues. The nation is operating on assumptions based solely upon the veracity of the most dishonest administration in our history. This administration has been caught in more destructive lies, and deceptions than any other, so it goes without saying that unquestioning belief in their version of things can in no way be construed as an intelligent move. The entire picture of both 9/11 and the so-called War on Terror must be subjected to thorough independent scrutiny until the truth is uncovered. Government has so far resisted public demands to do this. With the alternative information resources available today however, this is fortunately something each of us can and should do for ourselves. It should matter not, where this examination may lead. The survival of our nation is at stake.

It can therefore not be ruled out that the Bush administration is in fact guilty of corruption, treason and worse, in both 9/11 and Iraq. In our political system the informed public is the final defender of the Constitution, when all branches of government fail in this vital duty. As long as mainstream America fails in its solemn obligation to safe-guard the national interest from enemies both foreign and domestic, the U.S. will remain at the mercy of an openly corrupt congress and whitehouse. Both of whom are now forcing the nation down the slippery slope toward national ruin. Perhaps when more of Americans wake up to the apocalyptic reality that the U.S. cannot survive as a sovereign state, under the ongoing abominations of the current congress and whitehouse, more will realize that we're now witnessing the initial death throes of our nation. Blindly following our "leaders" is therefore a most irresponsible course of action. Today more than at any other time in our history, the American people must overcome denial, fear, and official lies and figure out for themselves who's lying and who's telling the truth. There is a very real danger that everything accomplished by Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin, will be lost by the current generation of Americans!

The 9-11 report stated that the terrorists were at war with us long before we even began our war with them. Congress can't declare war in this case because the enemy is not a country or an alliance of several countries. This enemy is a group of people who are not part of the government of any one country. Some governments in the world did support this enemy, but no one country's government is available for us to declare war against. Therefore, we ARE at war against an enemy that wants to destroy the United States and our interests around the world. This includes you too! You people can't deny that they want to kill us and have been doing that for a long time.

The way I see it you have three choices:
1) join in the fight against an enemy that wants to destroy us
2) be part of the problem and work against us in fighting the enemy
3) sit by the sidelines and watch, neither helping or interfering.

Remember in the Revolutionary War there were three camps of people in the colonies. Those who wanted independence from England, those who wanted the colonies to stay with England, and those who didn't care either way.

So what do you do? Do you help, do you interfere, or do you stay out of the way?

YOU decide!

Have a nice day! (while you still can)

Bush and Administration have not told one truth, from 9/11 through Katrina and Mike J wants us to believe this bunch !

On Bill Maher's show Sen Joe Biden, finally made the most sense of why it MIGHT be helpful to be in Iraq NOW that we have destroyed their country.
Doesn't mean I agree...the same arguement was made about Vietnam and the country did just fine ONCE WE STOPPED SAVING THEM.

Mike J - Have you ever considered who is guarding us here ? Like our Ports, our food and water supply, our borders? Maybe if our Military were here instead of there we would all feel safer.

Do yourself a favor and do some research on this bunch in the White House and see if you still think they have your best interest at heart.

You took the words right out my mouth. And theres plenty more. Good use of a pair of American BALLS.......

I couldn't help but notice Bush's swagger and general demeanor as he takes a drink of whatever was in that glass, as well as the snicker on his face as he listened to Harry.
He didn't give a rat's ass about what was being said
And his response: "... use tools within the Constitution on a very limited basis, a program which is reviewed constantly..." is such a crock. That is a description of FISA which he has chosen to ignore!
Here are his ideas of a "very limited basis":
Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room
NSA Might Listen to Lawyer Calls
Mass Spying Means Gross Errors
Lawbreaker in Chief

(With a thank you to Wired News)

I him on TV with a Blue Tie today . . . . No more Red ties . . . . Watch the tie.

Pathetic. Is thats the best you americans can do?
How can yu shame a sociopath? Its time people went beyond shaming and acted to remove the monster and his regime before they launch more bloody wars.
The real shame is on the american people who have stupidly let these monsters manipulate them and their electoral system. The shame is on the venal media who served as echo chambers for their lies.

Pathetic. Is thats the best you americans can do?
How can yu shame a sociopath? Its time people went beyond shaming and acted to remove the monster and his regime before they launch more bloody wars.
The real shame is on the american people who have stupidly let these monsters manipulate them and their electoral system. The shame is on the venal media who served as echo chambers for their lies

Brian,

We are working on it. It the meantime, why don't you work on removing your own "Bush Lite" down under? Perhaps Australia could not commit troops to fight our monster's upcoming war in Iran? That would be a start.

Soul Rebel #14

http://thankyouharrytaylor.org/ Now at 6,948. It was 2,921 about 7 hours ago when I left my thank you.

mike j: I think you wandered on the wrong site. This isn't Rush Limbaugh's site. Go to "i am an idiot" .com

"The endgame" is perpetual profits (not for us, btw) for Bush/cronies/elites with perpetual terrorism threat...keep the war profits going. Mike J is a great example of how people so easily fall for this. Mike J doesn't realize what's going on. I'd much rather educate people like Mike J, than attack them...but lots are hopeless...lots aren't though...I got through to lots of "Mike J"'s...

Harry Taylor maintained his composure in BOTH situations - with the presidunce and with Soledad. They were each flip and rude to him, but Harry knows he's on the right side. And so do we. Let's keep spreading that website:

thankyouharrytaylor.org/wordpress.

By the by, when signatures were registering just over 4,000, a note appeared on the site that said 6,000 more were being uploaded. So it's already surpassed 10,000. Unbelievable.

Bush, Is He Alone To Blame?

Most of our ire is being directed against our president with the polite gentleman’s C from Yale. Yet, he is as much a victim of his beliefs and actions as is any citizen of the United States. He is as much to be pitied as he is to be reviled. He, too, as were the rest of us, was raised by Hillary’s “village.” Unfortunately, deeply conservative segments of that “village” had a greater affect on him than on those of us who did not vote for or elect him to those positions of power that enabled him to impose his political deviousness and ignorance upon us.

It’s fine to have a legal right to believe what one wants to believe, but “no man is an island,” and what others believe does affect the rest of the world, however little or great that affect my be. That being the case, we have a moral obligation not to believe what is unfalsifiable with such conviction that it is conflated with knowledge.

Much blame rests upon us also. We are all aware of the questionable character of politics and the role money plays in it. “America did not heed the warning, ”Be careful of what you ask for.” It ignored the clear signs of political machinations and Bush’s lack of brainpower to lead well. As most of us knew, he was and is a foil for corporate power and those interested in using him for their own purposes to the detriment of “we the people.” Moreover, our representitives, Republicans and Democrats alike, shirked their duty in preserving the three-fold division of authority, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, written into the constitution. Too many politicians are more concerned about maintaining their incumbency or being voted into office than about the welfare of our nation’s citizens.

The Supreme Court does not deal in truth and knowledge. Rather, it interprets our laws, based on the studies, beliefs, and “village” upbringing of its current members. Its conservative appointees, not the people of the nation, voted this mediocre mind (that found literature to be of such little interest that it had no concept of the meaning of the word, “philosophy,” when it declared that Christ was the greatest philosopher), into power even though the opponent had won the popular vote. Consequently, occupying the presidency for four years gave Bush the bully pulpit he needed to succeed himself.

The American people, it is often repeated, are “not stupid.” That may well be. But being well schooled, we are, also, not well educated, in the true sense of that term. As George Orwell’s unheeded 1984 dramatization showed, we are easily controlled by the manipulation of language through the corporate conglomerates “owned” news media, neglecting their absolute and constitutional duty to enlighten unselectively the citizenry. Politicians are more aware of that fact than is the general public. Consequently, too many of our citizens are unable to see through the political machinations and manipulations of language.

Aside from the fact that we are so often not privy to whether a politician’s claims are true or false, our schooling institutions have never been and are still not required to teach us to distinguish between verifiable language, and the unverifiable language politicians often resort to, i.e., language that cannot be shown to be either true or false. Much of politics and the philosophies, religions, and particularly theistic religions in the history of man are predicated upon just such unfalsifiable language. Hence, too many politicians rarely give a straight answer to a question and are adept and succeed quite well at skirting an issue while giving the impression that it is being addressed. They play on the people’s and particularly their constituents’ beliefs that are predicated on unexamined assumptions with little, if any, concern as to (1) supporting evidence, (2) the source of our or their beliefs and (3) the role, strengths, and weaknesses of language in forming them.

Much of the misery and divisiveness in the world is caused because our schooling institutions have neglected teaching the complexities of these three issues. Students are not taught that words have no INHERENT meanings and that they must not be conflated with the multiple issues we use them to mean. We attach meanings to them that we are most often instructed to. Nor are students taught that the written or spoken symbol we name “word” is USED at different times in the history, and evolution, of language as a metaphorical “vessel” to “hold” the particular meaning we are thinking at any given moment.

It hardly matters which party is in power, so long as the terms, ‘truth’ and ‘knowledge’ can be bandied about carelessly with little understanding as to how they are constantly being abused. Too many of our citizens will continue to seesaw from one political influence to another. However, when they believe their life style and economic interests are being trampled, they’ll “vote the ‘incumbent’ bums out.” Otherwise, until our schooling institutions are required to offer critical thinking COURSES with emphasis particularly on the abuses of language distinguishing verifiable from unverifiable and unfalsifiable language, politicians will remain in control of this money-driven “democracy.”

For further elaboration on this issue, see my website: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepglv8/index.htm or http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/schievp.

BlueBear2 wrote: "I couldn't help but notice Bush's swagger and general demeanor as he takes a drink of whatever was in that glass, as well as the snicker on his face as he listened to Harry.
He didn't give a rat's ass about what was being said
And his response: "... use tools within the Constitution on a very limited basis, a program which is reviewed constantly..." is such a crock. That is a description of FISA which he has chosen to ignore!"

Amen. And Bush rudely interrupted with his "I'm not your favorite guy. Go ahead." and laughter. Yeah, go ahead and laugh at this man's serious concerns. You really don't give a rip, do you?

I went to the transcript and skimmed some of the other questions. Made me want to puke, all that fawning over the Liar in Chief.

It isn't only Bush's fault. Republican power-brokers wanted someone they could count on to do their bidding, and McCain was too much of a risk. Too independent a thinker. So they swift-boated him, Bush got the nomination, and they stole the 2000 election. Bush is like a dauphin king, except we aren't supposed to be a monarchy.

The media have to share the blame. And I'm not talking about only The New York Times. Go to MSNBC.com and you'll see a headline, "U.S. weighs Iran options." Get that? We have options in Iran, a sovereign country that wants nothing to do with us.

No, we don't! We have no legal or moral option where Iran is concerned. Because Iran is a member of the United Nations, it is responsible for
following U.N. mandates, including inspections of its nuclear facilities. But the United States has no options independent of the U.N., except to the extent that Cowboy Bush claims such an option and his claim goes unchallenged. Might does not make right, as we should have learned from history.

Democrats also share the blame. Karl Rove has done a magnificent job of using the bully pulpit (aided by Fox Network, Limbaugh, etc.) to paint anyone who disagrees with Bush's warmongering as unpatriotic. "Do you support our troops, or not?"
"If you're not with us against the enemy, you're soft on terrorism." etc. etc. Democrats have been cowed. They should have stood up long ago and said, "No, Mr. Rove. You're not getting away with this. This war is illegal, and we're going to say so."

Now we're at the precipice of a war with Iran. We might not survive the aftermath, folks. That's the bottom line. Any attack on Iran will unleash a response from real terrorists (as distinct from Iraqi insurgents) that complacent Americans can't even imagine. And like the cowboys who slaughtered Indians in those old movies and smiled for the camera, Bush will think of himself as a hero if he nukes Iran.

Dr. Schievella #57

The flavor I detect in your post is to blame the non-intellectuals for something.

Your first cast was "Bush, Is He Alone To Blame?", which is a straw man.

The first inquiry into any contemplation of guilt is to inquire of the law and the facts, not who. And inquiry into who, when we know who, is a diversion.

The simple factual and legal scenario of American Jurisprudence is he who violates the law is personally guilty (no matter what his grandmother was doing on Tuesday).

We do not have to do an inquiry into who else is guilty when we know a particular person is guilty. I mean I chuckle when I think of any prosecutor saying "We must find three other people who did this too before we can prosecute this bank robber".

The flavor of your post has enough republican talking point residue in it to make me wonder if it is not the tired and out of date mechanism of blaming the victim for what the perpetraitor did?

If so, you will find many compatriots in the republican and the progressive movements.

These daze it seems that blaming is too boring if it stops at the perpetrator and leaves out the victim.

I just dropped off my thank-you note from Prague. The entire situation is beginning to remind me of Stephen King's The Stand. Harry is one way righteous dude!

czaragorn

Thanks for leaving your thank you!

By the way, I think I just figured out your screen name.
Tolkien?

Hi Dredd,

Thanks for your input. Perhaps the term, ‘blame’ is too negative for what I’m trying to convey. In using the term, I am suggesting that where the “ills” and the “health” of our nation are concerned we are all participants even when we choose not to act or even think of the issues. Therein some degree of responsibility of the outcome rests upon us also. That is hardly “blaming the victim.”

But, first, let me put your mind at ease. Having been an independent Democrat all my life, I am hardly an advocate for the Republican philosophy of governance. That you can find anything in this statement that even implies a favorable attitude toward a Republican mindset suggests that you may not have studied carefully enough the tail end of my arguments. At the same time, I’d like to assume that you are not a rabid Democrat incapable of seeing any of their faults. That said, let’s consider your concerns.

I’m somewhat confused about your use of the term, ‘straw man.’ Conventional use of the term suggests that it implies an unimportant person, a weak argument, or a disguise of true intentions. If you are suggesting the latter, I refer you to my explanation of my use of the term, ‘blame.’

I suggest that you have completely misjudged the point and intent of my “essay.” It is not fair to argue about a small segment, (blame, guilt, etc.) of it and judge my entire statement on your interpretation of that segment.

I am not referring to “guilt” and nowhere in my comments have I used the term. Guilt is a finding of law even if it is contrary to the facts. As you well know, many an innocent person has been found guilty, and vice versa, by law. Also, I am not referring to some selective acts of Bush’s. Though I’m firmly convinced that his actions qualify him for impeachment, I am not even referring to whether he is or is not guilty. I am referring to the whole person and whether the “non-intellectuals,” as you term them, should have, could have, or if not why they could not have determined or cannot determine his fitness to be President. I was not referring to only “non-intellectuals” but to intellectuals as well. Surely that includes the conservative members of the Supreme Court. Fundamentally, I am arguing for a philosophy of education, as opposed to mere schooling, that has been wanting since the dawn of man.

I agree with much that you have said, however, I think that a careful reading of my comment #57 will show that the main trust of you argument is not relevant to the intent and conclusion of my statement.

Once again, may I refer you to my website for more on this issue.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepglv8/index.htm or
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/schievp

Hi BB2! Right on the money, as usual

The most significant thing about Harry Taylor's comments at a George Bush function is the fact that it is thought significant.

Lyndon Johnson saw and heard a lot of criticism during his appearances and travels. Presidents since Lyndon Johnson have also been made aware of criticism.
Other Presidents have addressed meetings in which people voiced displeasure. This was the incumbent President’s opportunity to explain a decision or to convert somebody.

Bush, however, only preaches to the choir. His audiences are screened so that the whole audience consists of Bush supporters in a big cocoon.

He ignores those not already converted. During his second campaign the American Federation of Government Employees sent a questionnaire to Bush and Kerry, planning to print their responses in a federal employee newsletter. George Bush didn't bother responding.

Protestors are kept blocks away from travel routes and meeting sites and are never seen by the President.

I have always voted Republican except for when Richard Nixon ran and won and when George W. ran the second time. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are not conservatives. They are fascists who appear to want to replace the Supreme Court and the Congress with a Board of Directors.

I applaud Harry Taylor.

czaragorn

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There are few folk who can realize that President Bush is a man of character. Many of you have learned what you know from billy-boy-clinton ... a convicted felon ... a criminal. Our current President is was raised by a Family or real people who know about how politics work in D. C.
If billy-boy-clinton or his wife hillary-billary-clinton had their way, they would still be "Two Presidents for the price of one" and their value to this country would mean that they would grow into international terrorists ... and would take this great country down any river they could and then get off the boat just as it is about to dive to the bottom.
Ijust wish that most of you democraps could "get it" ... and be on their boat as it sinks to the bottom of the ocean. We need a real second party and we also need time limits for those in our Congress ... with a limit of twelve years for our Senators and 12 years for the Congressmen. That would solve lots of our problems ...

President Bush is a character alright!

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