delphi6 and .net ?

If someone has any information...

Thanks,
J.Longo

Could you give me a name and exactly what he promised? This is something I haven't
heard before. Thanks.

AFAIK, there's still an open source version of InterBase.

I believe that was around Delphi 4 time frame, and it was shown during a "what's cooking
in the labs" session at BorCon. There was a perfectly clear disclaimer around that session.

Who's this Borland instructor in Paris? Without a name this information is useless.

Don't worry, I'm not going to have him/her fired. Just put through a drug test... <g>

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No kidding.

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Those *'s are as pointless as the bleeping sounds on TV.

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Since when could you expect people to act professional in public? <g>

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Really? Where? I was trying to find it but was unsuccessful. The only thing
I could find were old binaries on Borland's ftp server.

seb

Chris

"Sebastian Moleski" <s.mo...@tcu.edu> wrote in message
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seb

Well, it's not from Borland and Borland does not support it. It's just
based on the Interbase source.

I understand that. But I also thought that there was some objective that
Borland made the source public. Now they pretend like they've never done
that. Or at least, they don't leave any traces on their web site.

sm

Well, once upon a time, there was a U.S Pres. named Bill Clinton who
...F*****g... a Jewish woman every day in the Oval Office, and while doing
so, he always looked out the window (WH/Windows, not MS/Windows) to make
sure no Peeping-Tom (CIA/FBI) around. I guess it is OK to say F*****g in
the public since 50% of US pupblic opinions approved the "act"..

MD

Any other sort of woman would have been alright then, I take it? Or was
there an intelligent reason for including the word "Jewish"?

-Luk-

Lots of politics involved. I think you could say that due to Borland wanting
to ditch Interbase, the source escaped rather than being released.

Then Borland realised they had lost a good thing and tried to get it back.

The result is that the source tree forked into Interbase from Borland and
Firebird being looked after by most of the original developers.

The coice is simple, IMO, do you go for the version Borland hastily grabbed
because they didn't want to lose the revenue, or do you go for the Firebird
version supported by the guys who wrote it in the first place?

<Hint>
Firebird is free, unless you want support for your clients, then you can
impress your clients by charging them a proper licence fee.

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Concerning the "delphi6 .net wizard", it was at the Web Services
presentation on last March 7th, but I don't remember nor I can find the
name. All I can say is that he presented himself as marketing director of
Borland France, and he said that there would be shortly an addon available
to delphi 6 developers, to generate CLR executable code, simply by making
File / New / .NET application .

I again apologize for such a language, not professional at all, as stated in
answers to the post.
What I mean is that making a product as opensource, making a lot of
developers use this product, then breaking this initiative by re-making this
product commercial only, is like killing the product and doesn't show any
respect to customers at all.
However, I don't want to enter the Firebird / Interbase debate, there are
many peoples out there who know the problem better than I probably never
will. But this is, on my point of view, another example of the bad Borland
marketing strategy.

Ok, I was probably too enthousiast to take the disclaimer into account...
Sorry for this one.

This guy is (don't know the english term) a "pre-sale engineer". He told us
that there were projects of porting Delphi on MacOS X and Solaris, and even
perhaps on PalmOS (through the acquisition of a company who had a pascal
compiler on PalmOs). It seems to me (can't remember surely about this) that
he showed us some VCL source with #ifdef SOLARIS and #ifdef MACOS
statements.
Don't want to flame this guy on NG, I can give you his name by mail.

.Net, Solaris, MacOS, Linux ... Don't you think such statements from Borland
Sales person can influence
product sales ??
Delphi is the best environnement I have never worked with ( except perhaps
Windev ( www.windev.com ) , for many aspect of interface and database
design).
All I want is to stop Evil Sales Person promising things that will never be
done.

Thanks for all,
J. Longo

NB : Sorry for my bad english.

> Firebird is free,

So is Interbase.

Source is available at sourceforge, if you wants compiled binaries go to
http://mers.com

> seb

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a world in which happiness is in short supply. (RAH)

> So is Interbase.

So I can deploy a 500 user Interbase application for free?

That is BS. Jim Starky is not writing anything of FireBird. Ann is acting
mostly as a consultant and not writing much of anything. Both Jim and Ann were
gone from IB before SuperServer was even introduced which was a major re
architecture of the IB engine.

Charlie Cairo is still the lead engineer on InterBase at Borland as he has been
for over a decade and has the most continuous InterBase experience (~17 years)
of anybody in the world. I doubt you will ever see a major feature like SMP
support coming in IB 7.0 ever done in FireBird.

Yep. You can use the IB 6.0 OE. Either compile it yourself from SoiurceForge
or use the precompiled binaries at http://mers.com. Max users is 1024, if you
can find hardware that could handle that.

No it is not. FireBird is not InterBase Open Edition. It is a fork of the code
and is not InterBase any longer nor can you call it InterBase with your product
as per the IPL license.

I'm sorry if I got it wrong, but I still don't fancy going for the free
Interbase, especially due to the following warning on the Mers site:

> This is an open source project, use it at your own risk. The build process
is automated and is not checked by humans, so use at your own risk.<

At least Firebird has undergone QC.

BTW, what is SMP ?

Joanna

Hi,

If you compile the source yourself, or get the binaries from a third
party, and you don't call it 'Interbase', then yes.

J

Simetric Multiple Processing.

btw, about this interbase open source thing, can somebody give a link of
previous discussion, if you have it handy please?

I tried google, it returns too many links and I do not know the keyword
that I want.

Wien.

Sure you can.

You can get it for free here

http://info.borland.com/devsupport/interbase/opensource/

and use it to your hearts content.

Then download the source, provided by Borland and which has been
thoroughly QA'ed, and compile it yourself.

Hi,

..which is a very old a buggy version. There has been a campaign for
many months for Borland to remove this version from the web site, now
they have don't go pointing people to where they have hidden it <g>

J

It is available, and free. I can't testify to its bugginess.

MD

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That would be great. Please do.

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So you had to mention that, of course. It speaks volumes about you, though,
not about her.

-Luk-

This is easing in the direction of a personal attack. Whatever your intent,
however, it's best taken to off-topic.

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Don't bother me with your attempts at trying to get into TeamB, Bill.

-Luk-

You can call it InterBase Open Edition.

> J

So, IOW, "You're right Bill, but I think you're trying to get into TeamB, so
I'll ignore you."?

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You misread me, as you may have misread the original poster. Don't presume
that you know my motives.

LOL! What he fails to understand is that I'm exceedingly tired of the
combativeness of many here. My killfile is growing.

Putting words into someone else's mouth, and enclosing it in quotes
nonetheless. How disturbingly similar your behavior is to all the things you
despise about the forum regulars.

To quote your own words to a customer: "How truly condescending and
patronizing of you."

-Luk-

> You're a wide open book (and have been for a while).

Then perhaps you don't understand what causes the selections for TeamB.

Be that as it may, there's no justification for making offensive comments,
either to the original poster or to me.

You're a wide open book (and have been for a while).

-Luk-

Someone offended you?

-Luk-

> Someone offended you?

Yes, you did, and your continuation of this thread, and your efforts to
deflect the issue to something about me, rather than the offensiveness of
your responses to the OP continues to offend me... so you have gained a
place in my killfile.

But he is right, no matter what you think his motivation might be.

Please take it to off-topic, not just you, Luk, also MD.
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MD

"Luk Vermeulen" <Arf> wrote in message news:3d233aba$1_2@dnews...

And I would applaud it. Nothing to do with racial bias, though.

-Luk-

Coolness!

-Luk-

Thanks!

Please take this to off-topic --

Do it in off-topic.

Follow up set

Joanna, this is really not a fair statement. Not all the long time IB
developers left, and (AFAIK) Ann came *back* into the picture when the open
source first happened. Interbase at Borland is in good hands and has already
seen significant improvements and enhancements wi more to come.

> Firebird is free, unless you want support for your clients, then you can
> impress your clients by charging them a proper licence fee.

You can download a free version of Interbase from mers.com and it works just
fine.

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Since the compiled binaries are done as a voluntary service by the site
owner, it's only reasonable for him to place such a disclaimer to protect
himself. However, these versions are compiled from the same source, sans the
licensing code, as the corresponding certified licensed versions.
Certification only technically applies to the compiled version that has
successfully completed the full test suite at Borland and thus cannot be
claimed for the someone else's compilation of the open source.

> BTW, what is SMP ?

Until now Interbase (and Firebird) cannot take advantage of multiple
processors in Windows (does so fine in Linux and Solaris). Unless tied to a
single processor performance degrades as Windows keeps moving the entire IB
process around in a futile attempt to balance the processors. IB7 will
finally fix this and Windows performance will finally be comparable to the
other platforms.

The preferred place is the precompiled versions at mers.com.

http://mers.com

Someone offended you?

-Luk-

Then perhaps you don't understand what causes the selections for TeamB.

Be that as it may, there's no justification for making offensive comments,

--

Putting words into someone else's mouth, and enclosing it in quotes

LOL! What he fails to understand is that I'm exceedingly tired of the

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You're a wide open book (and have been for a while).

-Luk-

You misread me, as you may have misread the original poster. Don't presume

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Don't bother me with your attempts at trying to get into TeamB, Bill.

-Luk-

So, IOW, "You're right Bill, but I think you're trying to get into TeamB, so

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> Someone offended you?

your responses to the OP continues to offend me... so you have gained a
place in my killfile.

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That's sort of the point we were trying to make.

Something to consider.
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I never knew that before.

This is something that I think is worthy of more widespread mention.

I remember a few posts where somebody asked about this and then said
"next - I need SMP", but I don't remember it being explained to the
person that it *_would_* work well under Linux and Solaris.

BTW, why does it work with Linux/Solaris but not Windoze?

Paul...

Dan

"Paulie" <pa...@not.a.chance.eircom.net> wrote in message
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No platform for the SuperServer version of IB will work correctly in an SMP
environment no matter the OS. Linux still has the option of using the classic
architecture which has other problems, but doesn't degrade in an SMP
environment.

--

Rather than falling for your gambit of further deflecting the issue by
attacking my style, I will ask: What else did you mean with your reply to
Bill?

You recognized his reminder/request as a TeamB-like activity. Most people here
would think TeamB knows what they're talking about WRT to topicality of a
post, so I guessed that you agreed with Bill that your thread was best suited
for an off-topic post. However, you resented Bill's attempts to play TeamB's
role, so you decided to ignore him.

Please explain where my interpretation of your reply was wrong.

> > BTW, why does it work with Linux/Solaris but not Windoze?

I think that I see where the confusion has arisen - Classic will work
on SMP machines - correct? I think that's what Wayne was referring to
when he said that Interbase works for SMP on Linux and Solaris, he
meant Classic?

I looked at the Yaffil site - they appear to have a Classic version
for Windows, but my Russian wasn't good enough to be able to download
it!!

Paul...

> Jeff Overcash (TeamB)

I don't think Classic ships for Solaris anymore and is probably going away in
Linux in the future too. Classic has other resource problems that while it can
handle SMP better it has a lower max user threshold and is generally not as well
performing as SuperServer.

Yes. However as Jeff states, now that the SMP problem is being fixed,
Classic will be going away AFAIK and everything will be superserver.

--

But maybe most of us don't need that?

What some of us (me included) wanted was the ability to perform SELECT
statements for the top n records. That sort of thing. I don't even
know if InterBase has that now, but FireBird has.

And don't even get me started on the (IMHO) utterly CRAZY notion that
SELECT statements start a transaction <vbg>

Derek Davidson
CTO. Asta Technology Group
Asta Trg on two Continents!
Denver, CO, USA: Aug 2002 London, England. Oct 2002

SMP support has been one of the most asked for features for a *long* time.
This makes Interbase a genuine contender for *much* larger installations.

You haven't been keeping up, ROWS was introduced in 6.5 and goes *far*
beyond Firebird's implementation. It allows you to efficiently select *any*
slice from a result set, works with percentages (e.g. top 20%) and combined
with an order by can also be used in update and delete statements. For
example, the following gives a raise to the top 10 salaried employees hired
before 2002:
UPDATE EMPLOYEE SET
SALARY = SALARY * 1.10
WHERE EXTRACT(YEAR FROM HIRE_DATE) < 2002
ORDER BY SALARY DESC
ROWS 10

I did not know this and admit to some genuine surprise. I seriously wonder
how many deployed solutions will make use of this feature.

> You haven't been keeping up ....

Evidently <g> The additions do seem good, I am glad to admit.

Whilst I have your ear <g> Can you (or anyone else come to that) explain why
InterBase has (or had? I'm an optimist <vbg> ) this strange 'feature' of
making a select statement start a transaction? I - and I'm sure many other db
developers - have had the devils own job in the past of trying to deal with
the odd situations that this non-standard behavior causes.

I think you might be surprised to find that, one way or another, all major
RDBMSs require transactions even for selects. It's possible other products
make them implicit for you but then that just means they are defaulting
various attributes of the transaction.

Picture this:

- Your select starts, it will select 100 records
- it is about to read the 50th record and...
- some other user has just written back a change to that record

Since your select started before the change, should you see the changed
version or the original version of that record? For a lot of uses it may not
matter. For a financial report, it'll probably put the report out of balance
if the wrong version is read. What if the other user deletes this record, or
adds a new record that would now fit your select? Should your select see
either of these?

Also, now that you have selected 50 records to this point, should other
users be able to read and/or make changes to any of those records while your
select is still running? (In Interbase other users can at least always
read).

The type of transaction you place your select in combined with the types of
other transactions that interact over common records, determines what
behaviour each user will see, they allow you to control exactly what your
select statement is able to see.